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Monkey
Oct 7, 2008
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some of you mother****ers talk like there are no blacks/negros here on the forums who are expert level NORBA racers that could show you a thing or two on a friendly day at the trails, on the road, or in the park.

I usually ignore this bs but hey... I'll be honorable and ask:

Can you try to show some respect?

and BTW: I've been jumped, pelted with rocks and corn husks, spit at and pissed on all before the age of 19 by guess who, good ol white Americans. And I ain't scared to go through it all again and it won't change **** about how I feel toward any group of people.
 
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Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
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n8 that type of stuff is wrong, but what it isn't, is an excuse for racially motivated spite or malice.

I see a man intimidating voters, not a black man intimidating white voters.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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do you really believe THEY aren't racially motivated?
No. They are politically motivated. They are trying to turn away republicans, not whites.

It is absolutely reprehensible, not to mention illegal. I don't disagree with the statement that they are thugs.
 

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Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
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oh wait.. that makes it ok then? is that wut ur saying?
I'm saying that white people have been intimidating black voters longer, and the fact that you seem to care so little about voter intimidation until it works in your favor is disgusting.
 

ridetoofast

scarred, broken and drunk
Mar 31, 2002
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crashing at a trail near you...
No. They are politically motivated. They are trying to turn away republicans, not whites.

It is absolutely reprehensible, not to mention illegal. I don't disagree with the statement that they are thugs.
oh yeah there are sooo many black republicans

if you can tell yourself those two people have LOTS of white friends and believe it...so be it
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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No. They are politically motivated. They are trying to turn away republicans, not whites.

It is absolutely reprehensible, not to mention illegal. I don't disagree with the statement that they are thugs.
not only are they thuggz.. but also marxist socialists... and whom do they support again..??
 

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Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
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face it, you wouldn't have started this thread if it had been white GOP members intimidating black voters and you know it.

:disappointed:
 

ridetoofast

scarred, broken and drunk
Mar 31, 2002
2,095
5
crashing at a trail near you...
I'm saying that white people have been intimidating black voters longer, and the fact that you seem to care so little about voter intimidation until it works in your favor is disgusting.
ensuring credentials are present is intimidation?
guess you haven't been following the ACORN debacle?

if you'd just admit the bp'rs ARE motivated by race it'd be nice.

and you still didn't address my hypothetical about klansman at the polls and outrage, much less, media coverage it'd get.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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CHRONOLOGY OF GOP INTIMIDATION OF MINORITY VOTERS
Over the past 20 years, there have been repeated efforts by the Republican Party and Republican candidates to harass and intimidate minority voters in an effort to reduce the numbers of African-American, Latino and other ethnic citizens voting.

2004: FLORIDA ELECTION OFFICIALS SOUGHT TO PURGE AFRICAN-AMERICANS FROM VOTER ROLLS.
“Florida election officials used a flawed method to come up with a listing of people believed to be
convicted felons, a list that they are recommending be used to purge voter registration rolls, state officials
acknowledged yesterday. As a result, voters identifying themselves as Hispanic are almost completely
absent from that list. Of nearly 48,000 Florida residents on the felon list, only 61 are Hispanic. By
contrast, more than 22,000 are African-American… Anita Earls, one of the lawyers for plaintiffs in the
civil rights suit, said state officials had not given them the kind of access to data that might have
uncovered the flaw.” [NYT, 7/10/04]

2004: MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER SAYS GOP NEEDS TO “SUPRESS” THE DETROIT VOTERS.
Michigan State Representative, John Pappageorge, told members of the Oakland County Republican party
that the GOP would do poorly in this year’s elections if it failed to “suppress the Detroit vote.”
Pappageorge’s comments were a thinly veiled mandate to suppress African American voter turnout in a
city where 83% of the population is Black and overwhelmingly votes Democratic. [Detroit Free Press,
7/16/04; AP, 7/21/04; Washington Post, 8/26/04]

2004: Native Americans Were Told “To Go Home” In June Primary.
Poll workers demanded identification from Native Americans in South Dakota’s June primary, and they
illegally turned away Native American voters from the polls when they did not have it. The state’s
elections auditor sent out a memo to state poll workers stating that all voters must have IDs, but did not
widely disseminate information that said that voters could sign an affidavit in lieu of showing
identification. State Democrats say that the actions by poll workers were an extension of a wider move
by the GOP controlled state legislature to suppress Native American turnout. The law requiring voters to
show identification was passed last year. One South Dakotan voter turned away from the poll was told by
an elections worker that “if she didn’t’ have a photo ID, she could just turn around and home.” [Argus Leader, 6/11/04]

2004: REPUBLICANS WILL PLACE VOTE CHALLENGERS IN AFRICAN AMERICAN PRECINCTS.
Kentucky’s Jefferson County Republican Party announced that it will place Republican vote challengers
in predominantly African American precincts during the November 2004 elections, reiterating their 2003
attempt to suppress voter turnout. In 2003, county Republicans placed challengers at 18 polling places in
predominantly black districts. However, even Republicans have taken offense this year, and a dozen
Republicans including two African Americans joined together to protest their party’s actions. [AP, 7/30/04;
Courier-Journal, 8/3/04]

2004: ARMED, PLAIN CLOTHES POLICE OFFICERS INTIMIDATED ELDERLY BLACK VOTERS IN ORLANDO.
2 Plain clothes police officers, revealing their side arms, made house calls to elderly, black voters who
voted in Orlando’s mayoral race in March 2003. The voters were in large part campaign workers or
volunteers that helped to organize and get out the vote, mainly using absentee ballots, for African-
American Mayor Buddy Dyer. Dyer won with just under 51% of the vote. His challenger, Ken
Mulvaney and other defeated candidate alleged that Dyer aide, Ezzie Thomas, the 73-year old head of the
Orlando League of Voters, filled out multiple absentee ballots on behalf of black voters. These actions
came in spite of the fact that in May 2003 the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement had concluded “that there
was no basis to support the allegations of election fraud.”[Bob Herbert Column, New York Times, 8/16/04, 8/20/04;
AP, 7/17/04]

2004: SECRETARY OF STATE STRUCK OVER 2,000 ELIGIBLE VOTERS FROM VOTING ROLLS, 62% WERE DEMOCRATES, MORE THAN HALF WERE BLACK.
An analysis by the Miami Herald found that the Florida Division of Elections had improperly included
2,119 voters who were on a list of more than 47,000 felons potentially ineligible to vote in the November
2004 elections. Florida law requires convicted felons to request clemency in order to regain their right to
vote. Of the 2,119 people on the list, 62% were registered Democrats, almost half were Black and less
than 20% were Republican. Only sixty-one Hispanics were included on the list of over 47,000 felons
though they comprise 11% of the prison population, a politically significant fact for the November
elections since Hispanics in Florida vote overwhelmingly Republican while Blacks vote Democrat.
[Miami Herald, 7/2/04; Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 7/7/04, 7/8/04; New York Times, 7/10/04]

2004: GOP LEADERS ARE PUSHING VOTER INITIATIVE FORCING STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS TO TARGET LATINO IMMIGRANTS.
Honorary Chair of the Colorado Bush re-election team, Tom Tancredo, and several prominent Arizona
Republicans are promoting a ballot initiative, called the “Protect Arizona Now.” The initiative would
require that would-be voters present a birth certificate, naturalization documents, US passport, tribal ID,
or a driver’s license that includes citizenship status information in order to register to vote in Arizona.
Proposition 200 would institute criminal penalties for public employees that failed to comply with the
reporting requirements. The “Senior Advisors” to the initiative campaign are GOP legislators Randy
Graf, the House Republican Whip, and Russell Pearce, the House Appropriations Committee Chairman.
[Protect Arizona Now initiative, AZ Secretary of State, filed 7/7/03; Protect Arizona Now, www.protectarizonanow.com ,filed
7/7/03; Bush-Cheney ’04, News Release, 2/28/04; FAIR, Press Release, 6/3/04]

2004: REPUBLICAN SENATOR INTRODUCES LEGISLATION THAT COULD INTIMIDATE IMMIGRANTS AND SURPRESS VOTING.
Senator Pete Domenici has proposed an amendment to the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002. The
introduced federal legislation would require more first-time voters to show identification before voting, if
registered through a third party. These grass-root voter registration groups have helped register more than
1 million New Mexicans in the past year. According to the Albuquerque Journal, Domenici’s amendment
to the HAVA would “take effect immediately and retroactively cover all people who registered since that
provision of HAVA took effect at the Jan. 1, of 2003”. Critics accuse the Republicans in the voter
identification fight of trying to keep people from voting by hassling and intimidating new voters
unfamiliar with their civil rights. An attorney for the Democratic Party in New Mexico, John Boyd,
stated, “The problem developing here is a problem of obstructing people from voting by imposing ID
requirements on them that many people won't be able to comply with.” [Albuquerque Journal, 9/22/04]

2004: REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE STIRS VOTER FEARS WITH WARNINGS OF TERRORIST THREATS.
Many of Minnesota’s local election officials were outraged over what they saw as an attempt by
Republican Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer, to discourage voting with excessively dire warnings and
stereotyping descriptions that could single out voters from specific religious, racial or ethnic groups for
harassment. Kiffmeyer gave local election officials fliers warning voters to watch for unattended
packages, vehicles ‘riding low on springs’ and ‘homicide bombers.’ The fliers suggested that bombers
may have a ‘shaved head or short hair,’ ‘smell of unusual herbal/flower water or perfume,’ wear baggy
clothes or appear to be whispering to themselves, the flier warned. Kiffmeyer said the language of the
bulletin was taken from Minnesota's homeland security agency, which developed it with federal guidance.
[NY Times, 10/06/04; Emphasis Added]

2004: RNC Funded Company That Trashed Voter Registration Forms of Democrats
According to the Las Vegas CBS affiliate: “Voter’s Outreach of America” aka “America Votes” is
responsible for ripping up democratic voter registrations in Nevada. According to the investigative report,
hundreds and perhaps thousands of individuals who think they are registered to vote actually are not. The
organization has reportedly left Nevada and gone to Oregon. Full transcript of story attached… Well, the
company [Voter’s Outreach for America, aka America Votes] has been largely, if not entirely funded by
the Republican National Committee. We should also point out that similar complaints have been received
in Reno, where the registrar there has asked the FBI to investigate. It's a complicated story and we'll have
a lot more tonight and I think in the days ahead.” [KLAS Las Vegas Channel 8, 4pm news, Oct. 12, 2004]

That's just '04... it goes back through 1981.

http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/vri_voter_intimidation.pdf
 

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Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
1,657
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CHRONOLOGY OF GOP INTIMIDATION OF MINORITY VOTERS
Over the past 20 years, there have been repeated efforts by the Republican Party and Republican candidates to harass and intimidate minority voters in an effort to reduce the numbers of African-American, Latino and other ethnic citizens voting.

2004: FLORIDA ELECTION OFFICIALS SOUGHT TO PURGE AFRICAN-AMERICANS FROM VOTER ROLLS.
“Florida election officials used a flawed method to come up with a listing of people believed to be
convicted felons, a list that they are recommending be used to purge voter registration rolls, state officials
acknowledged yesterday. As a result, voters identifying themselves as Hispanic are almost completely
absent from that list. Of nearly 48,000 Florida residents on the felon list, only 61 are Hispanic. By
contrast, more than 22,000 are African-American… Anita Earls, one of the lawyers for plaintiffs in the
civil rights suit, said state officials had not given them the kind of access to data that might have
uncovered the flaw.” [NYT, 7/10/04]

2004: MICHIGAN REPUBLICAN LAWMAKER SAYS GOP NEEDS TO “SUPRESS” THE DETROIT VOTERS.
Michigan State Representative, John Pappageorge, told members of the Oakland County Republican party
that the GOP would do poorly in this year’s elections if it failed to “suppress the Detroit vote.”
Pappageorge’s comments were a thinly veiled mandate to suppress African American voter turnout in a
city where 83% of the population is Black and overwhelmingly votes Democratic. [Detroit Free Press,
7/16/04; AP, 7/21/04; Washington Post, 8/26/04]

2004: Native Americans Were Told “To Go Home” In June Primary.
Poll workers demanded identification from Native Americans in South Dakota’s June primary, and they
illegally turned away Native American voters from the polls when they did not have it. The state’s
elections auditor sent out a memo to state poll workers stating that all voters must have IDs, but did not
widely disseminate information that said that voters could sign an affidavit in lieu of showing
identification. State Democrats say that the actions by poll workers were an extension of a wider move
by the GOP controlled state legislature to suppress Native American turnout. The law requiring voters to
show identification was passed last year. One South Dakotan voter turned away from the poll was told by
an elections worker that “if she didn’t’ have a photo ID, she could just turn around and home.” [Argus Leader, 6/11/04]

2004: REPUBLICANS WILL PLACE VOTE CHALLENGERS IN AFRICAN AMERICAN PRECINCTS.
Kentucky’s Jefferson County Republican Party announced that it will place Republican vote challengers
in predominantly African American precincts during the November 2004 elections, reiterating their 2003
attempt to suppress voter turnout. In 2003, county Republicans placed challengers at 18 polling places in
predominantly black districts. However, even Republicans have taken offense this year, and a dozen
Republicans including two African Americans joined together to protest their party’s actions. [AP, 7/30/04;
Courier-Journal, 8/3/04]

2004: ARMED, PLAIN CLOTHES POLICE OFFICERS INTIMIDATED ELDERLY BLACK VOTERS IN ORLANDO.
2 Plain clothes police officers, revealing their side arms, made house calls to elderly, black voters who
voted in Orlando’s mayoral race in March 2003. The voters were in large part campaign workers or
volunteers that helped to organize and get out the vote, mainly using absentee ballots, for African-
American Mayor Buddy Dyer. Dyer won with just under 51% of the vote. His challenger, Ken
Mulvaney and other defeated candidate alleged that Dyer aide, Ezzie Thomas, the 73-year old head of the
Orlando League of Voters, filled out multiple absentee ballots on behalf of black voters. These actions
came in spite of the fact that in May 2003 the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement had concluded “that there
was no basis to support the allegations of election fraud.”[Bob Herbert Column, New York Times, 8/16/04, 8/20/04;
AP, 7/17/04]

2004: SECRETARY OF STATE STRUCK OVER 2,000 ELIGIBLE VOTERS FROM VOTING ROLLS, 62% WERE DEMOCRATES, MORE THAN HALF WERE BLACK.
An analysis by the Miami Herald found that the Florida Division of Elections had improperly included
2,119 voters who were on a list of more than 47,000 felons potentially ineligible to vote in the November
2004 elections. Florida law requires convicted felons to request clemency in order to regain their right to
vote. Of the 2,119 people on the list, 62% were registered Democrats, almost half were Black and less
than 20% were Republican. Only sixty-one Hispanics were included on the list of over 47,000 felons
though they comprise 11% of the prison population, a politically significant fact for the November
elections since Hispanics in Florida vote overwhelmingly Republican while Blacks vote Democrat.
[Miami Herald, 7/2/04; Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 7/7/04, 7/8/04; New York Times, 7/10/04]

2004: GOP LEADERS ARE PUSHING VOTER INITIATIVE FORCING STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS TO TARGET LATINO IMMIGRANTS.
Honorary Chair of the Colorado Bush re-election team, Tom Tancredo, and several prominent Arizona
Republicans are promoting a ballot initiative, called the “Protect Arizona Now.” The initiative would
require that would-be voters present a birth certificate, naturalization documents, US passport, tribal ID,
or a driver’s license that includes citizenship status information in order to register to vote in Arizona.
Proposition 200 would institute criminal penalties for public employees that failed to comply with the
reporting requirements. The “Senior Advisors” to the initiative campaign are GOP legislators Randy
Graf, the House Republican Whip, and Russell Pearce, the House Appropriations Committee Chairman.
[Protect Arizona Now initiative, AZ Secretary of State, filed 7/7/03; Protect Arizona Now, www.protectarizonanow.com ,filed
7/7/03; Bush-Cheney ’04, News Release, 2/28/04; FAIR, Press Release, 6/3/04]

2004: REPUBLICAN SENATOR INTRODUCES LEGISLATION THAT COULD INTIMIDATE IMMIGRANTS AND SURPRESS VOTING.
Senator Pete Domenici has proposed an amendment to the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002. The
introduced federal legislation would require more first-time voters to show identification before voting, if
registered through a third party. These grass-root voter registration groups have helped register more than
1 million New Mexicans in the past year. According to the Albuquerque Journal, Domenici’s amendment
to the HAVA would “take effect immediately and retroactively cover all people who registered since that
provision of HAVA took effect at the Jan. 1, of 2003”. Critics accuse the Republicans in the voter
identification fight of trying to keep people from voting by hassling and intimidating new voters
unfamiliar with their civil rights. An attorney for the Democratic Party in New Mexico, John Boyd,
stated, “The problem developing here is a problem of obstructing people from voting by imposing ID
requirements on them that many people won't be able to comply with.” [Albuquerque Journal, 9/22/04]

2004: REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE STIRS VOTER FEARS WITH WARNINGS OF TERRORIST THREATS.
Many of Minnesota’s local election officials were outraged over what they saw as an attempt by
Republican Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer, to discourage voting with excessively dire warnings and
stereotyping descriptions that could single out voters from specific religious, racial or ethnic groups for
harassment. Kiffmeyer gave local election officials fliers warning voters to watch for unattended
packages, vehicles ‘riding low on springs’ and ‘homicide bombers.’ The fliers suggested that bombers
may have a ‘shaved head or short hair,’ ‘smell of unusual herbal/flower water or perfume,’ wear baggy
clothes or appear to be whispering to themselves, the flier warned. Kiffmeyer said the language of the
bulletin was taken from Minnesota's homeland security agency, which developed it with federal guidance.
[NY Times, 10/06/04; Emphasis Added]

2004: RNC Funded Company That Trashed Voter Registration Forms of Democrats
According to the Las Vegas CBS affiliate: “Voter’s Outreach of America” aka “America Votes” is
responsible for ripping up democratic voter registrations in Nevada. According to the investigative report,
hundreds and perhaps thousands of individuals who think they are registered to vote actually are not. The
organization has reportedly left Nevada and gone to Oregon. Full transcript of story attached… Well, the
company [Voter’s Outreach for America, aka America Votes] has been largely, if not entirely funded by
the Republican National Committee. We should also point out that similar complaints have been received
in Reno, where the registrar there has asked the FBI to investigate. It's a complicated story and we'll have
a lot more tonight and I think in the days ahead.” [KLAS Las Vegas Channel 8, 4pm news, Oct. 12, 2004]

That's just '04... it goes back through 1981.

http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/vri_voter_intimidation.pdf
It reaches back farther than 1981.
 

Cable43

Monkey
Oct 7, 2008
280
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(Philly @ Heart)
ensuring credentials are present is intimidation?
here's about 90 years of "insuring credentials"
Source
1965 - The Voting Rights Act
After blacks were granted the right to vote in 1871, literacy requirements, physical violence, property destruction, hiding the polls and economic pressures still kept many blacks from voting, particularly in the South. In some states, a voter could vote in primary elections only if his grandfather had been able to vote in primaries; other states only allowed whites to vote in the primaries. In the largely Democratic South, these laws prevented descendants of slaves from having an effective vote. The Voting Rights Act was enacted in direct response to the Civil Rights movement. The act bans literacy tests and provides federal enforcement of voter registration and voting rights.
 

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Turbo Monkey
Mar 28, 2007
1,657
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so bottomline is that it is OK to do it then? two wrongs make a right if the left so chooses it to?
No n8 the point is that you guys only bring this issue up when it is blacks oppressing whites, or when it conflicts with your beliefs, and that is wrong.

You turn the other cheek when it is reversed, or serves your beliefs, this indicates that your actions are racially motivated.

I'm not one to stand around while people spew racially motivated hypocrisy. Sorry.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
6,649
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SF, CA
so bottomline is that it is OK to do it then? two wrongs make a right if the left so chooses it to?
Nope, it is not OK. They should be removed and arrested.

It is also NOT systematic intimidation of a specific race orchestrated or even encouraged at a national level (as cited above occured against blacks), nor is it indicative of the behaviors of an entire race nationwide (as comments about rioting imply).
 

Cable43

Monkey
Oct 7, 2008
280
0
(Philly @ Heart)
good post.
touche
but i won't back down from the fact that these 2 are racially and not politically motivated
who precisely are they 'security' for?

I agree it seems that they are trying to keep whites from voting. I'm from Philly I am pretty sure know exactly where that poling station is... Ive seen dudes like that on the daily... they are some scary MFers

my point is: DON'T LUMP ME (and others) INTO YOUR RACIST STEREOTYPES

I ride on two wheels and bleed like you.
 
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My Nuts Are Flat
Apr 18, 2002
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Towing the party line.
I agree it seems that they are trying to keep whites from voting. I'm from Philly I am pretty sure know exactly where that poling station is... Ive seen dudes like that on the daily... they are some scary MFers

my point is: DON'T LUMP ME (and others) INTO YOUR RACIST STEREOTYPES

I ride on two wheels and bleed like you.
I am assuming they wouldn't last too long if they tried to actually keep people out of the polling center. It'd make a great COPS episode when they get tazed in their jackboots.
 

Plummit

Monkey
Mar 12, 2002
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pfft.. hearsay from an unreliable source..

where's the convictions?
I think you mean "sources." I counted at least 10 referenced in Ohio's post. As to the convictions, where's the arrest in this one? The fox news reporter claimed that the police stopped by and left prior to their arrival, but there didn't seem to be any arrests made. By that logic....

Edit: Anyone else notice that it hasn't taken long for the R's to become "victims???"
 

Cant Climb

Turbo Monkey
May 9, 2004
2,683
10
FWIW.
Article on BP's in Philly.....

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/33491864.html

* On Barack Obama and voting: "He's a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster." Besides, he added, Obama is "a Negro who doesn't even support reparations for black people in America."

* On the Phillies: "They can kiss my ass. The Phillies are not doing nothing for our 'hoods."