Oh no...this is not good.

punkassean · Feb 1, 2005

All I can tell you is a very good friend of mine had a similar problem with a Z150 of his this past summer at Whistler and Bryson himself told him he'd have to buy a new one because it wasn't a warranty issue. On his it was the little tab underneath the leg that the QR20 lower plate swivels on. My buddy is an older established ex-roadie and most definitely knows how to wrench and take care of his equipment. In other words he didn't over-torque anything and he still got shut down. In fact he got shut down in a rather rude fashion. I was pretty disappointed by that so I tried to talk to Bryson and Tom and they were somewhat friendlier but not friendly by any means but they still wouldn't even consider a warranty which kind of surprised me given the circumstances.

punkassean · Feb 1, 2005

Oh yeah, I wish you better luck!

kidwoo · Feb 1, 2005

El_Chimichanga said:
The funny thing is that I can't even say I was JRA...damn!
Maybe if we can get like 50 people to break thier forks in the same place all at once, they will think it's a warranty problem and recall the forks and we will all get NEW stickers on our NEW lowers. So how about it everybody? Eh?

I think there probably already are at least 50 of those that have broken there. And have voids in the casting that makes them leak............

If I were a higher up in Zoke, I'd be embarassed to have Bryson representing or owning the branch of my company in the US. That guy is just straight up rude to the people on his products.

Good luck man.

H8R · Feb 1, 2005

El_Chimichanga said:
I haven't torqued the pinch bolts hard at all and this morning I'm cleaning them up and noticed this little problem.

Torque wrench?

No?

Oh well.

punkassean · Feb 1, 2005

On the QR20 how would you use a torque wrench? It has flaps that you hand tighten w/o tools...

Now on the 888 yes but as long as you used a short allen you'd be hard pressed to over do it I'd think.

Kornphlake · Feb 1, 2005

I think I paid $15 for my torque wrench. I wouldn't trust it to torque bolts on a nuclear reactor, but it at least gets me in the ball park on bike stuff. Most auto parts stores (kragen, checker, autozone, pepboys) carry a line of cheap tools that are in most cases just good enough to get one job done, that's where you'll find your budget priced torque wrench. I think Sears has one for about $50 if that's your thing.

kidwoo · Feb 1, 2005

I didn't mean to give a bad impression of Zoke USA in general. Literally all of the folks I've ever dealt with have been extremely helpful and down to earth.......except bryson. There's a friend of mine on this board who could elaborate on a situation we were both there for last year at Whistler but I think he's too polite. Maybe he was just having a bad day. From other's experiences though it seems that many of his days may be bad ones. I've only been around the guy once or twice and he definitely made it clear he was far too busy and I was far too insignificant to warrant any of his attention.

Regardless, the broken dropouts are a consistent enough problem with the 888 lowers that Zoke shouldn't just deny you any sort of hookup for a replacement.....free, reduced price whatever...... I hope they do.

H8R · Feb 1, 2005

punkassean said:
On the QR20 how would you use a torque wrench? It has flaps that you hand tighten w/o tools...

Now on the 888 yes but as long as you used a short allen you'd be hard pressed to over do it I'd think.

On the QR20, yeah that's lame if they don't warranty that.

On the 888?

http://www.marzocchi.com/system/2604/2004-bomber-en.pdf

See pages 32 and 49.

They put the torque values in there for a reason, to keep them from having to replace lowers.

OGRipper · Feb 1, 2005

Coming soon: Go-Ride 888 lowers. Heh.

bfranke · Feb 1, 2005

That same exact thing happened to my '04 888. My LBS said it would be a month turn-around. Then I found out that zoch headquarters is just 40 miles from my place. I called them ahead, explained what happened, then showed up yesterday. They replaced the lowers, put on new seals, and made some internal adjustments in under an hour!! Did I mention there was no questioning as to how it happened, and it didn't cost me a dime. Guys name was Michael that helped me out.

I wish you the same experience. Oh yeah, the other cool thing was being able to check out the one of a kind '06 rear shock on this guys VP Free. SICK!

kidwoo · Feb 1, 2005

OGRipper said:
Coming soon: Go-Ride 888 lowers. Heh.

Yah and then go-ride non-fading stanchions, go-ride true ending stroke compression dampers............ The cuervo was just the beginning!!!!!

Transcend · Feb 1, 2005

bryson is known to be rather uh, abrupt.

H8R · Feb 1, 2005

El_Chimichanga said:
I'm going to e-defend my wrenching skillz here, I'm pretty careful usually when I'm putting my stuff together, so I'm rather surprised that this happened. I haven't done something like this in a long time.

I'm sure you're a fine wrench, but...

You'd be very surprised if you tightened those bolts to spec, then put a hand wrench on them and saw how NOT tight they'd be.

I was a shop wrench, and pretty much any fork crown or lower got the torque wrench treatment from me. I trusted my hand at anything but cast and forged fork parts.

OGRipper · Feb 1, 2005

Yeah and although some people here seem to think otherwise I don't see how the fork will be any stiffer if those pinch bolts are super tight, as opposed to just kinda tight. (Yes, "super tight" and "kinda tight" are precise measurements that show up on most high quality torque wrenches.)

H8R · Feb 1, 2005

El_Chimichanga said:
Well, then I'll have to remeber that. Thanks man.
Somebody point me to a decent torque wrench...pls?
Only problem is, all the tools I buy, my friends borrow and then run away with them or loose 'em or leave them out in the rain. BASTARDS. This means you bikeninja!

Park makes one for about $40. (I think it was that much) I saw it at REI the other day.

Syntace makes the dope one, about $130

H8R · Feb 1, 2005

El_Chimichanga said:
How about this one? Looks like it would work pretty good. I think I can order it direct.
Torque Wrench

Too precise.

zedro · Feb 1, 2005

wow, these 888s seem to be real lemons. And i noticed how the Shivers and Monsters torque specs were 10Nm and the 888s only 6Nm

what a bunch of crap, really dissapointing

Dartman · Feb 1, 2005

I've done that twice.

First time with a torque wrench to Marz setting.

Second time with a t-handle and two fingers.

Third time I just barely snugged the bolts and covered them with duct tape to keep 'em from falling out.

Both times Marzocchi cheerfully warrantied the fork. But I was without a fork for most of last summer. What really sucks is I like the way the fork rides but don't trust it to last for very long.

There is not enough material there to support the stress of the pinch bolts. The lowers need to be redesigned. Hehehehe...Go-Ride lowers. I'd buy 'em!!!

Mike

Curb Hucker · Feb 1, 2005

kidwoo said:
Yah and then go-ride non-fading stanchions, go-ride true ending stroke compression dampers............ The cuervo was just the beginning!!!!!

pffft get with the times Kevin, If youre cool like me you already have the Go-ride Snackpak, Go-Ride Liquor, and Go-Ride Hydraulic Oil

partsbara · Feb 1, 2005

this is the torque wrench you need...

http://www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=1&pk=1016

spendy but very nice

biker3 · Feb 1, 2005

Curb Hucker said:
pffft get with the times Kevin, If youre cool like me you already have the Go-ride Snackpak, Go-Ride Liquor, and Go-Ride Hydraulic Oil

Okay its for certain, you have no life.

leprechaun · Feb 1, 2005

OK free t shirt to curb Hucker,But you need to let us license your SnackPack!
Hilarius!! :dancing:
Really though call us for your T and a sticker re-stock!

Should our CNC'd titanium lowers be all black or just black lazer etched lightening bolts on the brushed Ti surface???We just can't decide...

Dartman · Feb 1, 2005

Curb Hucker said:
pffft get with the times Kevin, If youre cool like me you already have the Go-ride Snackpak, Go-Ride Liquor, and Go-Ride Hydraulic Oil

Too fookin' funny!!!

Now I need the "Go-Ride Clean-Beer-off-the-Keyboard" wipes!

Bacardi · Feb 1, 2005

I'm glad I stayed with a SuperT.

Funny how evyone thinks they need this great new race fork (except those that got it with a complete bike).....look at the 2 problems they are having thus far...

Curb Hucker · Feb 1, 2005

leprechaun said:
OK free t shirt to curb Hucker,But you need to let us license your SnackPack!
Hilarius!! :dancing:
Really though call us for your T and a sticker re-stock!

Just show this to James I'm sure he'll get a kick out of it. Ive got some stuff on order already so just throw a Defender T (XL) in with my order. And I think the Go-Ride alcohol is defective, I just drank a shot of it and my spinal cord feels all tingly.

Acadian · Feb 1, 2005

Transcend said:
bryson is known to be rather uh, abrupt.

he isn't the only one...

I'll let Kidwoo tell that story! :nopity:

MikeD · Feb 1, 2005

Park makes torque wrenches, both 3/8 and 1/4" models, obviously intended for bicycle use. Your local Home Depot *might* have a beam-style Husky torque wrench calibrated in inch/lbs. I had one till the plastic pointer broke off, and they couldn't replace it.

This one from Craftsman is a bit spendier, but looks good... http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&fromAuto=YES&bidsite=CRAFT&pid=00934186000

You can check Snap-on and McMaster-Carr to find nicer, more expensive ones. This one from McMaster looks cool...the "High Accuracy Torque Wrench," ball-grip variant, 3/8 drive, 0-25 in/lbs in 1 in/lb increments, or 0-50 in 2 in/lb increments...all for the reasonable price of $220 or so. http://www.mcmaster.com/ctlg/DisplCtlgPage.asp?ReqTyp=CATALOG&CtlgPgNbr=2636&CtlgEdition=&RelatedCtlgPgs=2633,2634,2635,2636,2637,2638,2639,2640,2641&sesnextrep=503270241771957&ScreenWidth=1024&McMMainWidth=657&ToolsetID=ToolMultiPageNav&ToolsetAct=
Park tools run around $40, I think, so pick your poision.

MD

OGRipper · Feb 1, 2005

Nice one Kidwoo, going above and beyond the call.

Funny now I've a got a craving to get drunk, eat some puddin', and play with hydro fluid...

I was gonna send a pic of something else with a Go-ride sticker on it...but the adhesive really hurts when you pull the sticker off, and I would probably get banned instead of a t-shirt.

:dancing:

DÃR · Feb 1, 2005

As for torque wrenches, I'd recommend you get a beam-style one, rather than a ratchet. If the beam is off, you'll know it and you can more or less calibrate it by hand. If the ratchet is off, you'll probably find out when you break your 888 lowers, or when you send it off to have it certified (which costs about as much as a new one IIRC).

largextracheese · Feb 1, 2005

My buddie's 888 just broke there too. I think it's another warranty issue. He sent it off. Hope it all works out. His friend just got his 888 back for the seeping lowers. I'm glad I bought the Shiver.

Oh no...this is not good.

Monkey

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