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One thing I like about Obama, and McCain to a similar extent...

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by BurlyShirley, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    ...is that they're both people who've had to lead actual, sometimes dysfunctional lives to end up where they're at today. Romney and Clinton both were born into immense wealth, attended Stanford and Yale respectively, have spouses, parents, etc. who were career politicians and seem to reflect that in their personalities.
    WTF do either Romney or Clinton know about the daily struggles of life of the average every-day American citizen?
    Of course, McCain's family and his personal history are all military related, he attended the naval academy which is kind of an uppity thing of its own, but the guy did spend 5 years as a POW, endured torture, saw death, etc. I have a good feeling that he might have a little bit more of an idea about being a commander in chief, what the troops can endure and all of that than some born-into-aristocracy smooth talker like Romney or Clinton.
    Obama's past is frought with death, divorce, living in different regions, bi-racial parenthood, etc. He wasn't born into wealth from what I understand and I think that speaks to his character.
     

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  2. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    I used to agree 100% until he supported invading Iran. That's insane.


    On a similar note, that's why I kinda like Guiliani... three wives? The guy is truly human.
     
  3. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Opie, that crap is all lip service. They're all pandering to their bases at this stage, not the moderates yet, and no one in their right mind would stretch out our military like that unless it was a last resort.
     
  4. CrabJoe StretchPants

    CrabJoe StretchPants Reincarnated Crab Walking Head Spinning Bruce Dick

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    Carter.
     
  5. LordOpie

    LordOpie MOTHER HEN

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    He's the ONLY one saying it. Sorry, that immediately and automatically disqualifies him from my point of view. Again, he's the only one saying it.



    Who here said, "Bush has no plans to invade Iran. Oh, he's going to invade, he just doesn't have a plan." ?? :D
     
  6. Zark

    Zark Hey little girl, do you want some candy?

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    McCain wouldn't allow this waterboarding torture BS our current admin things is ok, not with his background. He actually strikes me as a fairly intelligent and balanced individual, something I can't say for Romney or Huckaby....

    Obama is the man though, his is the wallet that say "bad motherfvcker" on it.
     
  7. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    Dude, McCain was on the freakin' USS Forestal! People like to point out the whole POW thing, but the Forestal mess was hardcore too.

    Anyone who has been through Navy firefighting has seen that footage. That was a custerf*ck to beat all.
     
  8. stevew

    stevew unique white person

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    Why?

    Is it anything he has done? Skin color alone?

    I don't get the Obama nut swinging mentality.
     
  9. valve bouncer

    valve bouncer Master Dildoist

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    Well Obama went to Columbia, his step-father worked for an oil-company so I don't know if he was ever starving in a garrett but an interesting life nonetheless.
     
  10. MMike

    MMike A fowl peckerwood.

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    I think he once rid a plane of its snakes.....
     
  11. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    That was JBP most likely.
     
  12. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    He can deliver a speech that doesn't sound like it was written by Rush Limbaugh or a lobbyist.

    Damning with faint praise, I know...but it is what it is.
     
  13. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    a couple observations:
    - obama paints clinton as divisive, then cites where she sides w/ republicans
    - and the whole last paragraph: wtf? does he intend to do away w/ the DHS? what exactly would a "clear contrast on national security" look like?
    - why is he campaigning against bush?


    so while maybe he can deliver a speech, maybe he should hire some speechwriters who can write one that doesn't make him look so awkward.
     
  14. ohio

    ohio The Fresno Kid

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    A) He's right. She's the worst of both worlds: a pandering centrist who still manages to be divisive and absolutely villified by the opposing party.
    B) Agreed, he has been vague to this point
    C) Because Bush is an easy target and the Dems want to strategically maintain the association between ANY Republican and Bush.
     
  15. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    It's also pretty clear that the Republicans with the exception of McCain on torture and Ron Paul on almost everything is running on the platform that Bush's policies are great.
     
  16. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    McCain isnt on board w/ the tax cuts as far as I know, doesnt want to drill ANWR, supports global warming initiatives, etc.
     
  17. Silver

    Silver find me a tampon

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    I don't care about ANWR. The oil there is a drop in the bucket.

    I thought he supported making the Bush tax cuts permanent?
     
  18. BurlyShirley

    BurlyShirley Rex Grossman Will Rise Again

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    Actually, I read that wrong, nevermind. I thought I remember reading he opposed them from the start.
     
  19. N8 v2.0

    N8 v2.0 Not the sharpest tool in the shed

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    This is exactly why i have a hard time with McCain.

    He's the Democrat's choice for a Republican president.


    That right there should tell you there's some problems.
     
  20. jimmydean

    jimmydean The Official Meat of Ridemonkey

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    I like McCain, but he's older than the crypt keeper. I have to pay attention to who is on the other side because I know a lot of "red states" will vote Rep. because they fear a black or woman president.

    If McCain was 15 years younger, then it would be an easier loss to take.