[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by DLo
I'd like to hear someone compare a Push to an Avy..

Exactally, 2 years ago Romics were the best ever Now I see sh*t loads of them for sale, not to dis PUSH or anything, but they haven't been around very long and everyone is ready to jump to the PUSH ship...........(this week) Another bandwangon in the making Maybe they will be the best shock upgrade and really prove itself, only time will tell.

 

[ChainWhip]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Exactally, 2 years ago Romics were the best ever Now I see sh*t loads of them for sale, not to dis PUSH or anything, but they haven't been around very long and everyone is ready to jump to the PUSH ship...........(this week) Another bandwangon in the making Maybe they will be the best shock upgrade and really prove itself, only time will tell.

Certainly Darren has a track-record already in the bike suspension world - but I agree w/ Brian that time will be the best judge on how Push upgrades work out.

I for one hope that the buzz and excitement w/ the new stuff helps more of us get out and ride - but in the end, more choices is gooderer

 

[Macrider]

Originally posted by DLo
I'd like to hear someone compare a Push to an Avy..

can't give you a ride comparison - but since I was considering an Avy before I Push-ed my Fox - I'll give you a pretty good comparison: $165 vs $550!

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by Acadian
not a real accurate price comparaison since the $165 is only for the service. Include the price of a Fox RC (approx $329) and it's pretty close at $495.

except everyone and their kid brother has an RC. It also likely came stock (or was a non-upgrade option) on the bike you already own. Whereas the Avy you had to buy outright.

Even if you don't already own an RC, you can pick one up for about $150 used... which is fine because it's about to be gutted and completely rebuilt anyway (which I'm assuming voids any Fox warranty). Even if it's not the end-all, be-all of shock performance, it's a great deal if it significantly improves the durability and performance of the Fox to, say, near Romic levels.

I would have done it in a second with my DHR if the option had been available.

 

[Macrider]

you took the words right outta my mouth - on my lunch break I just went and picked up a perfect-condition used Fox for my XCE, 80 bucks - added to the $165 gives me $245 - pretty close to half an Avy, & I KNOW it outperforms my Romic (which I should be able to sell next week for what $175?) - hows THAT for a cost-effective upgrade?

 

[ohio]

Originally posted by Macrider
I KNOW it outperforms my Romic

Really? How much time do you have on it? What were the noticeable differences.

Considering the same guy designed and built both, and the romic has more oil volume and the advantages of a twin tube design, I'm kind of suprised... although there is an awful lot to be said for a custom tune.

 

[Curb Hucker]

When i had an RFX i had on it:

1.Fox Vanilla RC
2.Romic
3.Progressive 5th

On my disco coming soon i will have:

Pushed RC w/Ti spring, and I have riden a Disco with a stock fox.

So i think i can compare pretty well.

 

[Cave Dweller]

Originally posted by Sgt Brown
Just some more Push Porn.

I was under the impression that RC's do not fit on turners. Is this a pushed vanilla R? Can i see a pic of the whole shock mounted in the frame. I like turner DHR's but not romics which is the only thing stopping me getting the frame.

 

[Macrider]

Originally posted by Cave Dweller
I was under the impression that RC's do not fit on turners. Is this a pushed vanilla R? Can i see a pic of the whole shock mounted in the frame. I like turner DHR's but not romics which is the only thing stopping me getting the frame.

I think team Turner/Honda is going with the Push-ed Fox RC for their DHR's

I've got a Push-ed RC on my Turner RFX and a Push-ed RC in the works for my Turner XCE....

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by ViolentVolante
When i had an RFX i had on it:

1.Fox Vanilla RC
2.Romic
3.Progressive 5th

On my disco coming soon i will have:

Pushed RC w/Ti spring, and I have riden a Disco with a stock fox.

So i think i can compare pretty well.

A stock Fox actually feels good on a Disco so I'm not sure how much of a difference you'll feel. My Romic has felt like poo since day one on my Foes, I feel the original Fox RX felt a little better. So who knows what will happen out of the PUSH thing, hopefully less blown shocks, however I have a feeling its going to be a Romic in Fox clothing.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by ohio
except everyone and their kid brother has an RC. It also likely came stock (or was a non-upgrade option) on the bike you already own. Whereas the Avy you had to buy outright.

Even if you don't already own an RC, you can pick one up for about $150 used... which is fine because it's about to be gutted and completely rebuilt anyway (which I'm assuming voids any Fox warranty). Even if it's not the end-all, be-all of shock performance, it's a great deal if it significantly improves the durability and performance of the Fox to, say, near Romic levels.

I would have done it in a second with my DHR if the option had been available.

I don't really think any other shock can be compared to an Avalanche, basicly its a mini MX shock.

 

[Curb Hucker]

actually Darren told me that his shock is more of a small avy in fox clothing. I would have got an avy, as the cost didnt bother me, but im looking for lightweight on this bike so hopefully the pushed fox will work

Off topic, im taking off brake rotors, and loctite tastes good

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by ViolentVolante
actually Darren told me that his shock is more of a small avy in fox clothing. I would have got an avy, as the cost didnt bother me, but im looking for lightweight on this bike so hopefully the pushed fox will work

Off topic, im taking off brake rotors, and loctite tastes good

You will get light with a Fox & ti spring, My Avy with a Ti spring is still heavy, but feels sooo damn perfect

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by Acadian
please tell me you meant (and forgot) to insert a " " at the end of your sentence?

You happy now

 

[DLo]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Exactally, 2 years ago Romics were the best ever Now I see sh*t loads of them for sale, not to dis PUSH or anything, but they haven't been around very long and everyone is ready to jump to the PUSH ship...........(this week) Another bandwangon in the making Maybe they will be the best shock upgrade and really prove itself, only time will tell.

Yeah.. I think it's cool that there's a new option out for the fox shocks, gives us more to play with. I still want to get an avy after even just sitting around on one, but I'm still curious as to how the push compares to the rest. I was never really really impressed with 5ths or romics, but I've never owned either so I can't really judge.

I'm keepin my Fox as a backup anyway. Just want to know if it'll DEFINITELY be worth the extra $50-75 for a rebuild

 

[Curb Hucker]

Im going to be in tahoe for a week in mid-end of June, so if i see ya there brian you can take a run on the Disco, that is if our bikes come by then

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Originally posted by ViolentVolante
Im going to be in tahoe for a week in mid-end of June, so if i see ya there brian you can take a run on the Disco, that is if our bikes come by then

Better make it next June then

 

[bEttEs]

Bring us the bikeporn, please (yes now you have to because I said please )


greetz
bettes

 

[Ian F]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
You will get light with a Fox & ti spring, My Avy with a Ti spring is still heavy, but feels sooo damn perfect

This is funny as hell. I literally just sold my Avy and it's Ti spring - before I even read this thread. I still have the OE Fox on my M-1. If the frame doesn't sell, maybe I'll keep it and get the shock "Push'ed". It's tempting for the curiosity alone.

In case anyone cares, I compared the weights of my Avy w/ ti spring against the Fox with steel spring and the Fox is still about 1/4 lb lighter. With a ti spring, the Fox would be a pretty darn light shock.

After looking at the Push site, I e-mailed them in the hopes they may be able to do something for an old RS pull-shock. Oh, that would be heaven for me.

 

[Espen]

I want to see the whole shock on Stg's bike!!

Espen

 

[b-b00gie]

Originally posted by Ian F
This is funny as hell. I literally just sold my Avy

I literally just bought your Avy. Got it 2 nights ago BTW, thanks

I also just sent PUSH a Vanilla RC. It will be there tomorrow and Darren said he'd mail it back out by Tuesday or Wednesday, so I'll have it next Friday at the latest. Yum. Getting the race kit.



BTW, Darren told me that PUSH is making its own springs. Ti ones too, but they're $200 just like everywhere else. Wouldnt $175 sound so much more "do-able"......

 

[Jeremy R]

Originally posted by ohio
Really? How much time do you have on it? What were the noticeable differences.

Considering the same guy designed and built both, and the romic has more oil volume and the advantages of a twin tube design, I'm kind of suprised... although there is an awful lot to be said for a custom tune.

Yep, that is so true. Every Romic that I have owned feels valved different. I guess because they come stock on my bikes.
The one Romic that felt the best was the first one that I got directly from Darren at a race. It was customed tuned for my DHR, and it was perfect. Every click of the knob made a definite difference in the shock for both rebound and compression.
I would let him tune my Romic in a heartbeat.

 

[Ian F]

Originally posted by b-b00gie
I literally just bought your Avy. Got it 2 nights ago BTW, thanks

Ah - good. I was going to PM you about that.

Avy and Romic make great shocks, but it's always nice to have more options. And for the weight-weenies out there (me) a Ti spring RC that actually works would have been the shock of choice when I bought the Avy.

 

[Cave Dweller]

Originally posted by Espen
I want to see the whole shock on Stg's bike!!

Espen

Yeh, come one. Full pic of the DHR with pushed RC!!

Please.....

 

[Espen]

A standard piggyback RC will not fit.
My guess is an R.

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[ohio]

Originally posted by DLo
I'd like to hear someone compare a Push to an Avy..

I'd like to hear someone compare Push to Ditka.

 

[Jeremy R]

Originally posted by ohio
I'd like to hear someone compare Push to Ditka.

Off topic, But does anybody else feel the irony that the word "Ditka" is used to represent all things manly and tough,
and now the only time you see him is on commercials talking about how his wand has lost its magic.
I realize it is a true health problem, but its still sad.

Maybe we can just change the joke.
What do you think is softer?
A cottonball or Ditka's junk?

"Ditka, Definitely Ditka."

 

[reflux]

Originally posted by ohio
I'd like to hear someone compare Push to Ditka.

Ahh... you got me thinkin Ohio, will there ever be a Ditka made for freeriding?

 

[gmac]

I just sent my older RC out to Push. We'll see...

Also, anyone have an idea which oil is best for Marzocchi forks ?
Torco, Marzocchi house brand ? Whatever ? Thanks

 

[oly]

Originally posted by gmac
I just sent my older RC out to Push. We'll see...

Also, anyone have an idea which oil is best for Marzocchi forks ?
Torco, Marzocchi house brand ? Whatever ? Thanks

golden spectro...straight from the horses mouth. The marz tech guy says thats what they use. MotorX also is good i hear. I think they are now owned by answer. I have it in my boxxer.

 

[Kntr]

You can tell PUSH is being run by the Romic guys. They never email or call ya back. I emailed and called them early last week and I also emailed this week. I understand Sea Otter was this last weekend but come on.... If they cant keep up hire someone to at least email and call people back. Seems like the only shock place with any customer service anymore is Avalanche.

 

[BMXman]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
Exactally, 2 years ago Romics were the best ever Now I see sh*t loads of them for sale, not to dis PUSH or anything, but they haven't been around very long and everyone is ready to jump to the PUSH ship...........(this week) Another bandwangon in the making Maybe they will be the best shock upgrade and really prove itself, only time will tell.

my thoughts exactly...the shock has barely been out and already it's being proclaimed as "the" shock to get....not to dissrespect anyone but I would be more interested in a long term test (6 months) performed by someone who is NOT sponsored by PUSH....D

 

[Orvan]

Originally posted by BMXman
performed by someone

who's outside of The O.C.

 

[BMXman]

Originally posted by Orven
who's outside of The O.C.

even better

 

[Jm_]

Originally posted by BMXman
my thoughts exactly...the shock has barely been out and already it's being proclaimed as "the" shock to get....not to dissrespect anyone but I would be more interested in a long term test (6 months) performed by someone who is NOT sponsored by PUSH....D

Not to mention the fact that for single pivot bikes, they still aren't "progressive" or anything, so there are other shocks that will work better like the manitou, 5th and new fox DHX for these kinds of bikes. It would be cool if what push brings to the market is avalanche-like performance though...

 

[Curb Hucker]

Originally posted by BMXman
my thoughts exactly...the shock has barely been out and already it's being proclaimed as "the" shock to get....not to dissrespect anyone but I would be more interested in a long term test (6 months) performed by someone who is NOT sponsored by PUSH....D

being 1/6 of the way done with a 6 month test, im not sponsored by them (i wish) im very happy with my push shock, despite one minor mishap. I'll post a review in september.

 

[911]

Originally posted by BMXman
I would be more interested in a long term test (6 months) performed by someone who is NOT sponsored by PUSH....D

I'm working on it too... had mine for almost a month now. So far so good... but I'll have to put a few more months in before I can really give it a 'long term' review.

 

[Ratfink]

Originally posted by Kanter
You can tell PUSH is being run by the Romic guys. They never email or call ya back. I emailed and called them early last week and I also emailed this week. I understand Sea Otter was this last weekend but come on.... If they cant keep up hire someone to at least email and call people back. Seems like the only shock place with any customer service anymore is Avalanche.

Sorry to hear that your having communication issues with Push. I personally have never had a communication issue with either Romic or Push. What exactly are they not responding to? Is it a specific question regarding their service or something else? As you stated in your post Sea Otter was last week. Daren and Jimmy were there the entire time answering questions, analyzing data and doing interviews. So I'm sure it will take them a few days to catch up.

Cheers,
Doug

 

[vitox]

Originally posted by Brian HCM#1
You won't have a problem with a stock Fox on a 02 and newer Disco because of the linkage change.

the leverage ratio on the newer discos isnt really different from the oldest ones, from 03 and on theres that new kit of links with a little bit more travel and that look almost identical to the 00-02 retrofit ones, so leverage ratio is almost back to 4 anyway.

 

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Jm_
Not to mention the fact that for single pivot bikes, they still aren't "progressive" or anything, so there are other shocks that will work better like the manitou, 5th and new fox DHX for these kinds of bikes. It would be cool if what push brings to the market is avalanche-like performance though...

Darren is adding mechanical progressiveness through the use of varying durometer and size bump stops. I'll take that over an air chamber any day. Just my preference though.