yes but most people don't run 40%, or have 10 inches of travel.I've always wondered about that statement about the V10's head angle.
Doesn't every DH bike with 8-9" of travel sit with about 30% of sag and still have a static 64-65 degree head angle.
I don't think so.It's still steep for DH. Peaty's V10 is slacker than production versions.
Not sure if you're arguing about Peaty's bike, or simply voicing your h/a preferences. In either case:I don't think so.
67 is just perfect, very manoubrable and yet stable at speed.
my dh bike got a 67 degree ha too.
maybe that's what LSC in forks is for?What happens to the head angle when the front brake is loaded on sustained steep sections and the rear is unweighted ? In these instances it must have by far the steepest head angle of and DH specific bike.
True but the fork will still settle into a lower position no ?maybe that's what LSC in forks is for?
If you're talking about adjusting the ride height on the fork......lowering the stanchions STEEPENS the head angle, FYIwell on my v10 i lowered the stactions as much as possible which slackens the head angle alot and if you watch the santacruz video on their site you will notice that minnar and rennie lower their stantions as much as possible...
exactly ..Lowering the stanchions through the crown increasing axle to crown length (slackening head angle) is what I think dest meant.
or Dirt misquoted him? Could be any one of those, but i dont think it really matters here. Its a great bike and really worth getting.
If Minaars is stock, then it's gonna be too much bike for 95% of riders. Shame, i was gonna buy one.Quoting the dirt mag
"Is it a production bike?
My bike is bog standard. Size large"
Does not look mis-quoted to me...
lowering the CROWNS steepens, raising the legs steepens.....now invert.If you're talking about adjusting the ride height on the fork......lowering the stanchions STEEPENS the head angle, FYI
Maybe he is on a stock FRAME, but with some bling parts. Then both are right.or Dirt misquoted him? Could be any one of those, but i dont think it really matters here. Its a great bike and really worth getting.
back before the full custom frame in '07, Hill was on a box stock medium Sunday . . . with some nifty, custom e13 reducer cups to give it a slacker head angle.Maybe he is on a stock FRAME, but with some bling parts. Then both are right.
Have you been to a WC track? Actualy pros modern bike dont differ from production rigs that much in other cases but in HA they do.I don't think so.
67 is just perfect, very manoubrable and yet stable at speed.
my dh bike got a 67 degree ha too.
Yes, it is like Peaty said, everyone has his own preferences and what works for some peaple won't work for others.Some good info here:
http://dirtmag.co.uk/news/category/videos/santa-cruz-syndicate-v10-set-up/dirt-1234193.html
according to the riders, Rennie runs his forks fully dropped in the corwns to get a slightly longer wheelbase and a bit slacker head angle, Minnaar actually steepened his up a bit to suit his own style and becasue he felt it made the fork perform better, and Peaty's is on a 2-of-a-kind one-off custom job with a longer toptube and 1.5 headtube. People overly concerned about what the factory guys are running should take a good listen to what Peaty says at the end.
How did minnaar steepen it, because in the video you can see there is no stanchion above the crown, so that would be the slackest position, right?Some good info here:
http://dirtmag.co.uk/news/category/videos/santa-cruz-syndicate-v10-set-up/dirt-1234193.html
according to the riders, Rennie runs his forks fully dropped in the corwns to get a slightly longer wheelbase and a bit slacker head angle, Minnaar actually steepened his up a bit to suit his own style and becasue he felt it made the fork perform better, and Peaty's is on a 2-of-a-kind one-off custom job with a longer toptube and 1.5 headtube. People overly concerned about what the factory guys are running should take a good listen to what Peaty says at the end.
Easy, put a headset spacer under the crown. Also, i'm pretty sure a lot of the footage is taken from Worlds (edit: nevermind, it seems to be from maribor and ft. bill too) and a fair number of riders were getting their bikes as slack as they could for that track so it might not be his standard set-up. i believe Minnaar also put spacers under his direct mount to get his handlebars a bit higher on that track. he still had them installed at Ste. Anne as well. Most of those guys either run Rennie's set-it-and-forget-it approach or have a baseline that they alter slightly. and then there's Barel . . .How did minnaar steepen it, because in the video you can see there is no stanchion above the crown, so that would be the slackest position, right?
Ie. In newest dirt mag there was Gee's bike with HA settings between 61 and 63 instead of 63-65.
Hill had a few different angle as well. Minnaar aparently rides stock though.
I'm not a race mechanic or bike designer, but I believe racers can't be categorized in that way. Who knows who wants what setup.
Im a bit confused here,......... Im missing something on the concept.
would pro racers not want a more responsive, racey, head angle,.... ie steeper rather than slacker.? They (pro dhers) are the ones with the Jedi like reflexes.
So would that not mean for the average rider (without jedi reflexes) that a production mode would be slacker......?
but in reality they sell steeper angled fronts to the ones who can handle it the least.... whilst the pros have slacker head angles who dont need them?
bit of a paradoxical situation..... or maybe I got it all wrong?
although I do understand that a worldcup track is totally different than what most v10s are used for.
Im a bit confused here,......... Im missing something on the concept.
would pro racers not want a more responsive, racey, head angle,.... ie steeper rather than slacker.? They (pro dhers) are the ones with the Jedi like reflexes.
So would that not mean for the average rider (without jedi reflexes) that a production mode would be slacker......?
but in reality they sell steeper angled fronts to the ones who can handle it the least.... whilst the pros have slacker head angles who dont need them?
bit of a paradoxical situation..... or maybe I got it all wrong?
although I do understand that a worldcup track is totally different than what most v10s are used for.
the footage was from Ft WilliamEasy, put a headset spacer under the crown. Also, i'm pretty sure all the footage is taken from Worlds and a lot of riders were getting their bikes as slack as they could for that track so it might not be his standard set-up. i believe Minnaar also put spacers under his direct mount to get his handlebars a bit higher on that track. he still had them installed at Ste. Anne as well. Most of those guys either run Rennie's set-it-and-forget-it approach or have a baseline that they alter slightly. and then there's Barel . . .
Most pros want the slacker HA and longer WB for greater stability. We don't ride on such high level we need extra stability and even If some of us do we don't go for WC type courses.(or some euro cup coruses ). Actualy even the techy trails are not that narrow compared to some local stuff (look at the movies how vide most stuff there is) so the bike don't have to be that good at slow speed very tight corners. Was only in Maribor from WC tracks but man after complaining about the length of my rig after the whole season I was really happy it was that stable. To go faster extra deg in HA would not be a bad idea and I'm not a pro and Maribor in most places is not that damn steep.
Im a bit confused here,......... Im missing something on the concept.
would pro racers not want a more responsive, racey, head angle,.... ie steeper rather than slacker.? They (pro dhers) are the ones with the Jedi like reflexes.
So would that not mean for the average rider (without jedi reflexes) that a production mode would be slacker......?
but in reality they sell steeper angled fronts to the ones who can handle it the least.... whilst the pros have slacker head angles who dont need them?
bit of a paradoxical situation..... or maybe I got it all wrong?
although I do understand that a worldcup track is totally different than what most v10s are used for.