Really? Who's coming out on parole?why is it awful to remember? it's like remembering the day someone killed your family so that you don't forget to go to the parole hearing to keep the murderer in prison.
You really think his post was just a simple reminder?I simply love how you guys have taken N 8's simple reminder of the brutality of these people and turned it into something retarded. Nice job.
Y'all crack me up.
Well whatever it was, it was certainly "simple"You really think his post was just a simple reminder?
not watching NOVA tonite on pbs eh?It still blows me away that we have 47 different views of the planes hitting the towers and we have only 4 grainy frames of a "plane" hitting the pentagon.
I would like to think we had better video security at the pentagon, but I guess downtown is a nicer view.
NOVA isn't on tonight. All I see is:not watching NOVA tonite on pbs eh?
NOVA isn't on tonight. All I see is:
"Building on Ground Zero" details some of the structural reasons for the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, employing computer animation and 9/11 footage to explain a National Institute for Standards and Technology report on the subject.
playing on the 15th. Are they going to show improved pentagon footage as well? That was my point, sorry you missed it.
The no plane at the Pentagon theory is one that has been throughly discredited...pretty sure every paranoid goofball knows a cruise missile hit the pentagon... duhh!
Where is this at? I have yet to see anything resembling a plane anywhere near the pentagon.The no plane at the Pentagon theory is one that has been throughly discredited.
I always thought that up in smoke was a Cheech and Chong comedy. :huh:
That were dated September 12th 2001.. And when is all the material and possible evidence going to released from this "ongoing investigation".It still blows me away that we have 47 different views of the planes hitting the towers and we have only 4 grainy frames of a "plane" hitting the pentagon.
Here are some very good links.Where is this at? I have yet to see anything resembling a plane anywhere near the pentagon.
Even n8 agrees.
Damn those pilots must have evolved a lot playing flight simulators in malls around the country, inbetween Sept 11 and those succesfull Cessna lessons...Many security cameras record at low frame rates. I don't know the distance covered by the security camera that the frames were released from, but at 500mph, it would have been traveled very quickly. We are lucky to have gotten any frames from that security camera at all.
Who cares if they're worthless, release allt the evidence and confiscated material and let people see for them selves.I suspect that some of these other tapes may have more favorable angles, but may also have lower resolutions and may be equally worthless.
So you are telling me that the Pentagon only has security cameras that do stop motion, yet my LBS has full motion video on 4 cameras? Seriously, so I can run up to that side of the pentagon and the surveillance video of it would be worse quality than if I robbed 7-11. That's awesome.Here are some very good links.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html
http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/01434_flight_77_struck_pentagon.html
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1
Many security cameras record at low frame rates. I don't know the distance covered by the security camera that the frames were released from, but at 500mph, it would have been traveled very quickly. We are lucky to have gotten any frames from that security camera at all.
There are reports that there are many other security cameras in the area, and that the government has confiscated those tapes. I do not know if this is true or not. I suspect that some of these other tapes may have more favorable angles, but may also have lower resolutions and may be equally worthless.
At 500mph the plane was covering 733 feet per second. At a one second frame rate unless it snapped right at the moment the plane was directly in front of the camera you wouldn't see it.Many security cameras record at low frame rates. I don't know the distance covered by the security camera that the frames were released from, but at 500mph, it would have been traveled very quickly. We are lucky to have gotten any frames from that security camera at all.
It's nice to see a quality post...so I thought i would quote itThis doesn't mean the government isn't without blame on 9/11. Years of failed foreign policy have brought us here.
Mike
Classic conspiracy theorist thinking: if it sounds reasonable, it must be true.So you are telling me that the Pentagon only has security cameras that do stop motion, yet my LBS has full motion video on 4 cameras? Seriously, so I can run up to that side of the pentagon and the surveillance video of it would be worse quality than if I robbed 7-11. That's awesome.
I feel safer already.
At 500mph the plane was covering 733 feet per second. At a one second frame rate unless it snapped right at the moment the plane was directly in front of the camera you wouldn't see it.
Conspiracy theorists are nutz. To imply the government created all this would also imply they could all keep a secret. Bwahahahahah!!!! Right!!
This doesn't mean the government isn't without blame on 9/11. Years of failed foreign policy have brought us here.
Mike
At 500mph the plane was covering 733 feet per second. At a one second frame rate unless it snapped right at the moment the plane was directly in front of the camera you wouldn't see it.
Mike
I don't know anything about the camera technology at the Pentagon. I do know about electronics, and I know early adopters, often pay a premium price for inferior technology. Who do you think had cameras first, the Pentagon or your LBS? Even at today's 60fps, you still wouldn't see much of a 500mph object.So you are telling me that the Pentagon only has security cameras that do stop motion, yet my LBS has full motion video on 4 cameras?
What conspiracy theorists are is irrelevant and whether or not a secret could be kept is also irrelevant. What matters are facts. Ridiculing people that present facts does not make them true or false. Evidence that supports or refutes facts makes a difference, and there is much verifiable evidence that does not coincide with the physics behind the official story.Conspiracy theorists are nutz. To imply the government created all this would also imply they could all keep a secret. Bwahahahahah!!!! Right!!
The question is how much...This doesn't mean the government isn't without blame on 9/11.
You are referring to the last 6 years, right?Years of failed foreign policy have brought us here.
I think this is the smiley you seek:
It didn't have to melt it. I just had to weaken it structurally. That happens just above 500 degrees.does not mean that a carbon based open air fire can melt steel.
More like the last 60. We created Saddam and Bin Laden and a host of others by backing the lesser of two evils. Then are shocked when the dogs turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.The question is how much...
You are referring to the last 6 years, right?
it sure is.
Nobody (credible) denies that the steel may have been weakened sufficiently to cause a collapse. Nobody on either side disputes the fact that the temperatures weren't hot enough to melt steel. And even though everyone agrees that these fires could not melt steel, the fact remains that molten steel was found at all three buildings.It didn't have to melt it. I just had to weaken it structurally. That happens just above 500 degrees.
Sorry, I was trying to be funny with the last 6 years comment, although in my opinion, the US has ****ed up foreign policy at an accelerated rate since 9-11.More like the last 60. We created Saddam and Bin Laden and a host of others by backing the lesser of two evils. Then are shocked when the dogs turn around and bite the hand that feeds them.
Conspiracies is about knowledge. No one is born with knowledge, we have to seek it.Classic conspiracy theorist thinking: if it sounds reasonable, it must be true.
Very funny, even got birdies flying around it..I think this is the smiley you seek:
It didn't have to melt it. I just had to weaken it structurally. That happens just above 500 degrees.
From the Pentagon flight they have identified people through fingerprints and DNA, but how come there can be any fingerprints left while the two Rolls Royce engines, that the plane carried, of 6tons each completely melted? 12 tons of metal vaporized and fingers didn't..Nobody (credible) denies that the steel may have been weakened sufficiently to cause a collapse. Nobody on either side disputes the fact that the temperatures weren't hot enough to melt steel. And even though everyone agrees that these fires could not melt steel, the fact remains that molten steel was found at all three buildings.
Evidence for the molten steel is provided in Dr. Jones paper and at this link too http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.htm.
Molten steel cannot be explained by the official story. This issue is consistently ignored by the debunkers because their official conspiracy theory doesn't support it. Avoiding discussion of a fact is not a valid method of disputing it.
Historical knowledge is not sought through pure analytical reasoning. That is what conspiracy theorists do- they suggest the reasonability of certain events or actions by claiming an amount of reasonability without corresponding evidence. Case in point: are you a scientist? Do you know how human bodies, fingerprints, etc. react in a plane crash? How much do you know about the physics of intentional plane crashes at incredibly high speed? It may be reasonable to assume that all would be incinerated, but is there a truly scientific (ie based on experiment or practical observation from similar events) way of determining that this should be the case? Reality often does not fall as we think it might based on our pure reasoning.Conspiracies is about knowledge. No one is born with knowledge, we have to seek it.
From the Pentagon flight they have identified people through fingerprints and DNA, but how come there can be any fingerprints left while the two Rolls Royce engines, that the plane carried, of 6tons each completely melted? 12 tons of metal vaporized and fingers didn't..
Also, in one documentary I saw there was an open book lying on a chair that was just centimiters away from falling into the mess made by the "plane". How come that didn't burn any of its pages?