slickest of the steel garage dh frames ?
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Why? Because you're ignorant about the processes involved and since most frames are welded, then it must be better?
Brazing is arguably a better process. The reason production frames are welded is because its cheaper and faster. Brazing uses less heat and when done right, can have a very small HAZ. The fillet of the joint is larger and spreads the load over a greater area.
Tig can be done very well, but on 99% of the steel bikes I've seen, it isn't.
so is there a website? or just contact the company?
First let me say if that's your first fillet brazed frame on your blog that's very impressive work indeed. I fillet brazed my first frame over twenty years ago so I know what a learning curve it is. How do you like those Paragon dropouts- they look extremely nice! If you're going to make a lot more frames you might want to check out a gas fluxer.
I wouldn't say brazing is better, but I will say this- it's like eating dinner using fine china vs. a paper plate. The food is the same but somehow it seems to taste better when served on china. It's also hard to beat the looks of a nice fillet brazed steel bike but that's just the bike snob in me talking..
A good quality TIG weld will probably take just as long to do as a good quality brazed joint. A TIG welded joint will have a smaller HAZ and ultimately will probably be stronger. Having said that, I think brazed steel bikes ride better because the joint is more ductile. With big tires and long travel suspension this is definitely a lot less noticeable. With some suspension bike designs it can be difficult to fillet braze them due to the number/type of tube intersections and necessary clearances.
All joining methods are plenty strong and usually the tube will fail before the actual joint fails- assuming good quality workmanship.
I'm still riding a silver brazed lugged road bike that I made over ten years ago and I used to ride 15,000 miles a year so that bike has some miles on it.
you could start a business making and selling frames like that
I think that was established by the 3rd post
I don't want to derail this thread so I'll keep it short. My point was that there is nothing that makes a tig welded bike inherently superior to a brazed bike. It's all in the skill of the builder. Harry Gary is one of the better fillet brazers.
Your point about time is correct only for the top 2% of welded steel frames. At that level, the 2 techniques are even.
Bballe was trying to say that because this frame was welded, it must be better than the brazed frame.
This is my first fillet brazed frame that I've done but I have quite a bit of framebuilding experience.
found this
How do I buy one?
maybe we should set him up with the negrito and have him fly a few over now that his bike sold he must have some space (ill send some kem over, fraser...) left over
There was a kid at sea otter on a realy sweet looking AL bike he made with his dad in the U.K. It has an 8 speed nexus geer box and a home made nitrogen shock. The thing was ****ing sweet. It had milyard racing stickers all over it but I couldnt find a website
ah i saw that one, there are pictures of it on some sites, very nice, although i cant picture that being any cheap to produce.
Check out the 24th page of the gearbox thread:
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97295&page=24
http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97295&page=24
That is impressive. I remember seeing the guy bomb down the hill on a practice run and remember that thing being pretty damn quiet. It looked to be heavy as hell but, at 42lbs. DAMN thats awesome. Im VERY impressed.
The kid and his dad are working on a new frame thats going to bring the thing down to 38-39 the kid was saying
Vitox,
YGPM.
Chris
YGPM.
Chris
Victor,
Like I said to you yesterday I will have plenty of room in my bags if I descided not to take the Passion home with me. I´m sure I could wear a couple layers of clothes on the plan to free up some extra space. You think the welder can have 4-5 built by May 2nd. Tell his wife to take a little vacation after that.
It´s funny. I even had a dream about this last night.
Sanjay
hey i was just talking to him and mentioned this and he said he would rush one out (he starts tacking today on the export models) so "el negrito" could take one with him, he'll be staying here in santiago over the holiday so it should be feasible to have one ready by wed, unclear if theres time to get it painted but if all it takes are a few (dozen) traffic violations, i guess we could manage that too.
so, is the passion up and running?
bump!
i might be hooked up with one of these frames!
i might be hooked up with one of these frames!
wow.. 300 is stupid cheap.. if material and craftsmanship is on point you could easily get double that...
sweet price, i might just buy one of them. what is the rear hub spacing, and shock size.
damn it fiddy, STFU. if i end up paying an extra $300 for this frame because of you, i'm gonna find you at the spot and give you a $300 whuppin'.
j/k
You'll want to double check with Vitox, but I believe they can run a 9"/3", 8.75"/2.75", or 8.5"/2.5" shock. As far as I know you can get 135 or 150mm hub spacing.
Chris
Here are a couple pictures of the frame I brought back to the states with me. (It's now Flat Broke's) It had a raw front triangle with a black rear. I think it is getting painted.
It had a 1.5 headtube, took a 27.2mm post, 135mm rear wheel, and 73mm BB.
I wish I could have been able to bring a couple more of these back with me as shipping would have been free, but they had a couple finifhes that were allready sold.
It had a 1.5 headtube, took a 27.2mm post, 135mm rear wheel, and 73mm BB.
I wish I could have been able to bring a couple more of these back with me as shipping would have been free, but they had a couple finifhes that were allready sold.
like sanjay said there is the regular QR dropouts and also 135/150 thru axle dropouts, they are of the bolt/nut type much like on an RMX or m3.
funny how many ppl are asking for raw, well the builder stopped by after being bored to death on the ring road here between his place and the paint place and i got pics of this the latest version with updated dropouts and also a ht he had made.
dont flame me for the picture quality!
dh front end, still with the jig for welding the shock mount on
detail of head tube area
iscg05 mounts
new rear end with disc mounts for 6" or 8" no adapter needed, not sure how useful but nice touch if you have to swap wheels or similar.
funny how many ppl are asking for raw, well the builder stopped by after being bored to death on the ring road here between his place and the paint place and i got pics of this the latest version with updated dropouts and also a ht he had made.
dont flame me for the picture quality!
dh front end, still with the jig for welding the shock mount on
detail of head tube area
iscg05 mounts
new rear end with disc mounts for 6" or 8" no adapter needed, not sure how useful but nice touch if you have to swap wheels or similar.
sweeet, parece q me compro majin si me echo el karpi jaja viendo com oviene eso, you guys should buy some, these things kick ass here
Uhmm...MoReWoOD.
alaaaa cheaper tho
I'm not going to be building mine up afterall, so if anyone in the U.S. or Canada is interested in one of these with a 1.5 headtube, 73mmbb, and 135mm rear, shoot me an email at clloyd7@aol.com
Chris
Chris
emailed...
I just emailed ya back with pics etc.
Chris
Chris
send me a pm but for the record, thru axle in 12x135 and 12x150 is available, shipping is usually just under 100usd, and theyre available, might take a few days if you want options like onepointfive or thruaxle or special colors, but normally theyre ready to go within a week. shipping is from chile, as in narrow country where you are never further than 80 miles away from a huge snowcapped mountain.