Went a little sumpthin like this:
http://blistergearreview.com/recommended/qa-with-dave-turner-turner-bikes
http://blistergearreview.com/recommended/qa-with-dave-turner-turner-bikes
I didMore I read into them the more I want a 5spot. Ive been wanting to go up in travel from my GT distortion and im thinking the 5 spot could be my next frame. has anyone slackened one out with a adjustable head set??
There is no rfx/160mm bike.What did he say about the RFX/160mm bike?
If Dave offered to trade you out a slightly lower and slacker 5 Spot with 1" more rear travel, would you take it? I would. I'd even pay dh frame money.There is no rfx/160mm bike.
Too much pooling of resources in other directions is the impression I got. Plus the general feeling (which I agree with) that most of the people asking for that bike don't realize how capable the 5spot is.
How's the quality of those headsets, and how well as it held up for you?Put a set of -2 cups in mine from works components.
How's the quality of those headsets, and how well as it held up for you?
(I would think -1.5 would be dialed)
metric mach retarded, or queens royal mach retarded?But it's sooooo good at mach retarded.
You were running a video camera, with whiskey nearby, and this is what you filmed?He started to but I threw my whiskey at him at the word "t-w-e-n-t-y-n-i-n......"
I'd venture to say you are right. I've ridden an 02 RFX for 7 or so years now, half of which were with the 5" plates in place of the 6". I can't say there's anything I can't ride on one that I can on the other. No discernible difference in comfort either.There is no rfx/160mm bike.
Too much pooling of resources in other directions is the impression I got. Plus the general feeling (which I agree with) that most of the people asking for that bike don't realize how capable the 5spot is.
Agree 100% too.poland: people fixate way too much on travel when mentally categorizing what a particular bike 'can do', I agree.
All-mountaineering is so 2012. It's Enduro for 2013.also, when does ride monkey get an all-mountaineering forum?
Many years ago I demoed the 5.5 spot (DW) when Dave was in Sedona. I had brought my RFX and had ridden that the same day. The 5.5 spot used it's travel better and was more supple on most stuff. The spot was using an air shock as well, but the DW link just sucked up stuff so well and with 140mm of travel, you didn't really miss any travel. It was already "slacked out" compared to previous spots, and over the years it's been tweaked even slacker. It's not super light, but it is very capable. On that day I would have switched out my RFX for the 5.5 spot, no question. Lighter, far better pedaling, suspension, etc...What did he say about the RFX/160mm bike?
not sure, but i'm shooting studio photos of it tomorrowGood stuff!
Did he mention this?;
by 2015 there will be XC Enduro, Trail enduro, DH enduro, as well as standard trail, XC, DH, AM, SS, fatbike, fatbike trailAll-mountaineering is so 2012. It's Enduro for 2013.
Sure, if you're comparing the current Spot to the old 4 bar ones I'd expect that result. However, I'm looking for a replacement for a very good 170mm bike - a coil sprung Reign X. I haven't ridden the new Spot extensively, but enough to know that it's not the Reign X's rear suspensions equal in smoothing out the rough.Many years ago I demoed the 5.5 spot (DW) when Dave was in Sedona. I had brought my RFX and had ridden that the same day. The 5.5 spot used it's travel better and was more supple on most stuff. The spot was using an air shock as well, but the DW link just sucked up stuff so well and with 140mm of travel, you didn't really miss any travel. It was already "slacked out" compared to previous spots, and over the years it's been tweaked even slacker. It's not super light, but it is very capable. On that day I would have switched out my RFX for the 5.5 spot, no question. Lighter, far better pedaling, suspension, etc...
What's wrong with your reign?Sure, if you're comparing the current Spot to the old 4 bar ones I'd expect that result. However, I'm looking for a replacement for a very good 170mm bike - a coil sprung Reign X. I haven't ridden the new Spot extensively, but enough to know that it's not the Reign X's rear suspensions equal in smoothing out the rough.
Jeesh have those things already been around that long? Time flies.Nothing yet, but it's got six seasons of hard riding on it and I'm sure it's going to develop a crack at some point.
...not to mention I almost peed myself when I saw Jake at I9's polished 5 Spot with proto Torch wheels in polished form....But there are a shlt ton of really really good trail bikes out there now. I'm not dumb enough to think the 5spot is the end all be all of that genre. It's just a good one that gets too often overlooked because of the travel thing.
Yeah can drop that BS about some 29er rider ever killing some section that 'you/I/we' barely made it through.Goddamit that post was way longer than I was hoping...
I used to call it the Corvette sales model (Chevy loses money on every Vette sold, but has to make it b/c people aspire to and will buy Chevy b/c of the Vette) but now a DH bike isn't really cost differentiated at all from all these new trail bike whips.re: the 'Why bother making a downhill-specific bike?' question, I was hoping / expecting him to point out that for many years now there's been a strong market for a longish travel bike that descends well...and therefore a good bike designer aiming at that larger market (and let's not get into AM vs light FR vs mini DH vs Enduro vs Flavor Of the Week terminology) ideally needs to be intimately familiar with how a modern DH bike rides and the engineering behind that. Axle path, shock leverage curve, brake force distribution, etc etc.
DH represents a benchmark for the down, and then we all get to throw around money pursuing the elusive best-of-both-worlds.
PS thx for making and posting the vids woo.
Cost difference is still there. Carbon DH frames sell for about a grand more than carbon trail frames.I used to call it the Corvette sales model (Chevy loses money on every Vette sold, but has to make it b/c people aspire to and will buy Chevy b/c of the Vette) but now a DH bike isn't really cost differentiated at all from all these new trail bike whips.