[ianjenn]

NEW 80-HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC MX BIKE: STARK VARG

Stark is a new motorcycle company from Spain that just announced its first product: an electric motocross bike said to produce as much as 80 horsepower

dirtbikemagazine.com

Keep in mind this is less than many E MTBs and well yeah.........

Power: 80hp


Weight: 110kg fully charged


Wheel torque: 938 Nm


Range: Up to 6 hours


Charging time: 1 to 2 hours


Battery capacity: 6kWh


Suspension


310 mm travel Front/Rear KYB


Ride modes: More than 100


Adjustability: Power curve, engine braking, flywheel effect & traction control

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Strava should have been destroyed the day it was created.

 

[gonefirefightin]

Good lord, how is that even possible. I mean, my KTM Freeride E-xc is the equivalent of 30hp at 245lbs and it is breakneck fast with a twist.

 

[dump]

NEW 80-HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC MX BIKE: STARK VARG

Stark is a new motorcycle company from Spain that just announced its first product: an electric motocross bike said to produce as much as 80 horsepower

dirtbikemagazine.com

Keep in mind this is less than many E MTBs and well yeah.........

Power: 80hp


Weight: 110kg fully charged


Wheel torque: 938 Nm


Range: Up to 6 hours


Charging time: 1 to 2 hours


Battery capacity: 6kWh


Suspension


310 mm travel Front/Rear KYB


Ride modes: More than 100


Adjustability: Power curve, engine braking, flywheel effect & traction control

If that does what it says it can, the needle has just moved dramatically.

 

[jonKranked]

#stravaterrorism

 

[mykel]

NEW 80-HORSEPOWER ELECTRIC MX BIKE: STARK VARG

Stark is a new motorcycle company from Spain that just announced its first product: an electric motocross bike said to produce as much as 80 horsepower

dirtbikemagazine.com

Keep in mind this is less than many E MTBs and well yeah.........

Power: 80hp


Weight: 110kg fully charged


Wheel torque: 938 Nm


Range: Up to 6 hours


Charging time: 1 to 2 hours


Battery capacity: 6kWh


Suspension


310 mm travel Front/Rear KYB


Ride modes: More than 100


Adjustability: Power curve, engine braking, flywheel effect & traction control

...and at a projected $13.500 - so inline with a top end e-mtb.

 

[ianjenn]

Good lord, how is that even possible. I mean, my KTM Freeride E-xc is the equivalent of 30hp at 245lbs and it is breakneck fast with a twist.

I wanted one of the KTMs to beat a few ass hats that have been cutting trails etc in the area to get KOMs. This is a similar price. How does the KTM ride?

 

[gonefirefightin]

I wanted one of the KTMs to beat a few ass hats that have been cutting trails etc in the area to get KOMs. This is a similar price. How does the KTM ride?

Really incomparable to my gas bikes. its a full on rocket, sort of like a 500cc 2 stroke power band 24/7 , its crazy, couldnt imagine 60 more HP

 

[Westy]

Good lord, how is that even possible. I mean, my KTM Freeride E-xc is the equivalent of 30hp at 245lbs and it is breakneck fast with a twist.

Electric motors are rated differently than ICEs. An electric motor's power output is largely limited by heat build up vs airflow in a gas engine. So that 80hp is probably only possible for a few seconds. They should publish the various duty cycles. An electric motor that can produce 80hp continuously will probably weigh several hundred lbs.

 

[gonefirefightin]

Electric motors are rated differently than ICEs. An electric motor's power output is largely limited by heat build up vs airflow in a gas engine. So that 80hp is probably only possible for a few seconds. They should publish the various duty cycles. An electric motor that can produce 80hp continuously will probably weigh several hundred lbs.

Thus is why I asked how it was possible. Unless they are using some caps with huge ESC's I dont know how the lithium battery technology can keep up with so called 80hp at 6 hours. It just doesn't make sense. I ride for 2 hours on my freeride and you can fry an egg on the ESC banks and see battery cap drop like a rock. Its possible they may be using some sort of sine inverter tech to boost but only time will tell.

 

[Westy]

Thus is why I asked how it was possible. Unless they are using some caps with huge ESC's I dont know how the lithium battery technology can keep up with so called 80hp at 6 hours. It just doesn't make sense. I ride for 2 hours on my freeride and you can fry an egg on the ESC banks and see battery cap drop like a rock. Its possible they may be using some sort of sine inverter tech to boost but only time will tell.

I guarantee you that it can't sustain that power for long, for both thermal reasons and battery capacity.

It only has a 6kWh battery, so at an impossible 100% efficiency that 6 hour rating is only at 1.3 horsepower.

 

[ianjenn]

I mean a full MOTO is 45 minutes. If a 450 is just under 60HP native maybe the bike can maintain 75% power for 45 minutes? That's the only way it could work as a race bike. I have shot enough Hangtown Nationals to know those top 5-8 guys are pinned for 45 minutes. The other 45-42 in the field are probably like 40 minutes wide open......

 

[aenema]

Their vid says that 80 is peak and it runs at 60 at normal high output power mode. The 6 hours is for trail mode and supposedly you can go anywhere form 125cc 2 stroke power equivalent to 650cc 4 stroke power with the electronics. Still no clutch though and I think that is a big black mark for trail riding. Electric Motion only production bike doing that, that I've found. If money were no object, I'd have one of their trials bike in my garage right now.

 

[vivisectxi]

stark varg?

 

[Westy]

I mean a full MOTO is 45 minutes. If a 450 is just under 60HP native maybe the bike can maintain 75% power for 45 minutes? That's the only way it could work as a race bike. I have shot enough Hangtown Nationals to know those top 5-8 guys are pinned for 45 minutes. The other 45-42 in the field are probably like 40 minutes wide open......

It could only average around 10 HP for 45 minutes before the battery runs out.

You get 8 minutes at 60 HP.

 

[gonefirefightin]

It could only average around 10 HP for 45 minutes before the battery runs out.

You get 8 minutes at 60 HP.

Even in the slickest conditions and pinned on the throttle in stuff like snow and mud and hitting 50mph, I cant get more than 1 hour out of the freeride. And thats rated at 20hp+ at 9kw. I am with you on this one @Westy I dont see the math adding up in the real world.

 

[ianjenn]

So if dirt bikes did Whoop drag races it might win......wonder how fast I could ride up some trails around here?

 

[gonefirefightin]

So if dirt bikes did Whoop drag races it might win......wonder how fast I could ride up some trails around here?

It makes me think they have a dyno handy and give some specs with unrealistic use cases. Throw a timberled on it and flog it, those would be real numbers I could sink my teeth into.

 

[HardtailHack]

Even in the slickest conditions and pinned on the throttle in stuff like snow and mud and hitting 50mph, I cant get more than 1 hour out of the freeride. And thats rated at 20hp+ at 9kw. I am with you on this one @Westy I dont see the math adding up in the real world.

Does yours have regen? That should add a good chunk of run time in most cases.

It does sound pretty optimistic though.

 

[gonefirefightin]

Does yours have regen? That should add a good chunk of run time in most cases.

It does sound pretty optimistic though.

If I am off the throttle on ground that allows some rolling resistance it helps keep levels longer but not much. Kinda gimmicky if you ask me but I am no engineer....

 

[Westy]

Even in the slickest conditions and pinned on the throttle in stuff like snow and mud and hitting 50mph, I cant get more than 1 hour out of the freeride. And thats rated at 20hp+ at 9kw. I am with you on this one @Westy I dont see the math adding up in the real world.

It is pretty basic physics. I don't question what they are claiming, just that they are leaving out a lot of details.

 

[schwaaa31]

This guy destroyed more than a Strava record.

https://m.pinkbike.com/news/video-rider-flees-scene-on-electric-motorcycle-after-allegedly-hitting-and-injuring-mountain-biker.html

 

[gonefirefightin]

Surrons are no joke either. Some dudes are putting the Faux cranks on them to skirt the regs on trails.

 

[rideit]

Aren’t the regs based on class 1,2, and 3, and not whether they have ‘pedals’?

 

[gonefirefightin]

Depends on the locale, or version of regs, most are getting updated annually if not monthly.

 

[WestCoastHucker]

....Weight: 110kg fully charged...

i wonder how much it weighs with a dead battery..

 

[gonefirefightin]

i wonder how much it weighs with a dead battery..

Dead weight is much heavier....

 

[Jm_]

Surrons are no joke either. Some dudes are putting the Faux cranks on them to skirt the regs on trails.

That's what I was thinking, just slap some Evolves or GXs on there.

 

[kidwoo]

Like I need an electric version to fuck with strava dorks.



Matte Gaetz's nazi cousin who works at IKEA thinks you should be on VARG

 

[buckoW]

That's what I was thinking, just slap some Evolves or GXs on there.

Sur-Ron Pedal System

Distributors and builders of life changing electric bikes.

lunacycle.com

Haha, looks efficient.

 

[buckoW]

Like I need an electric version to fuck with strava dorks.



Matte Gaetz's nazi cousin who works at IKEA thinks you should be on VARG
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What’s Ohio think of these? Any ideas about the battery tech or motor cooling?

 

[kidwoo]

What’s Ohio think of these? Any ideas about the battery tech or motor cooling?

LOL

Just texted him.

I don't know about him but so far that looks like investor driven theory with a bunch of douchebags as the face of the company (not the riders, the hair gel). Like tesla but probably smarter.

Hope I'm wrong. Just seems weird that if was that great, no one ever heard of them until this big reveal

At least they're using KYB stuff and not WP garbage just to look like KTM like alta did.

 

[MikeD]

 

[rideit]

I really don’t understand with all of those dudes standing around, and a few minutes passing, that someone didn’t toss that dude’s sur-Ron off the edge of that trail, and into the rutabagas.

 

[buckoW]

I really don’t understand with all of those dudes standing around, and a few minutes passing, that someone didn’t toss that dude’s sur-Ron off the edge of that trail, and into the rutabagas.

Politeness and social norms? They said they “knew” he was going to take off after he left. Maybe, we are all a bunch of teddy bears talking the big talk?

 

[Rhubarb]

There is a small group of guys that cruise around on Surons looking stupid (like they dont quite know what to do with them). They are quick off the mark, but look too small to me. Maybe weight?

 

[ianjenn]

There is a small group of guys that cruise around on Surons looking stupid (like they dont quite know what to do with them). They are quick off the mark, but look too small to me. Maybe weight?

I think the fastest one of those hits 60+. It's a bit cheaper than this MOTO but 100x lamer.

 

[gonefirefightin]

I think the fastest one of those hits 60+. It's a bit cheaper than this MOTO but 100x lamer.

Def a budget version that sits between a bike and moto. Prob have around 10 hours on a few different versions at various moto events. For a while it was the only budget rig around and now they are getting left in the dust for better tech.

 

[shelteringsky]

seems to go alright

 

[ianjenn]

What I need is an early 2000s KTM DS bike with plates. Then the plate off that mounted to this bikes rear fender. A few crappy turn signals and lights. Then some SUPERMOTO wheels and it will be the perfect commuter.....