Damn clean..... Two thumbs up!
tonic fab 26er Howie
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honestly that is the best looking 26" hardtail i have ever seen, i am very stoked on this bike...Hopefully production will get under way with it so I can buy one at soon. I was very happy with my TOP but this is rad enough to replace it...
glad to see your trademark rear end with the IS headset now.
looks great. whats the seattube length?
thats sharp.
almost as sharp as the 24" version.
almost as sharp as the 24" version.
Yeah im glad about the IS thing as well, please keep to some standards on this bike, i know most guys will want to run disks/mountain shell cranks...I see he has saints or some other outboard bearing crank on there?
What is with the wrap around the seat? Are you hiding something from us?
What is with the wrap around the seat? Are you hiding something from us?
had to hold the seat on some how.
ducktape
lol the way guy is is more like a bandanna
thats sharp.
almost as sharp as the 24" version.
Howdy.
Thanks for the feedback about the bike.
The bandana is just a Guy Marsh style thing. It does hide a small detail specific to this frame which is an unslotted ST. Guy likes to run a Macneil "wedge" mod seatpost so why slot it?
His frame has a euro BB, but we've also got a couple Mids. My feeling is that most people buying this frame would prefer a Mid BB. Any feed back? I also orginally thought people would want to run V-brakes, but now, I'm not so sure.
Seat tube on this bike is 10" center to center. Pretty close to a Fall Guy.
L
Thanks for the feedback about the bike.
The bandana is just a Guy Marsh style thing. It does hide a small detail specific to this frame which is an unslotted ST. Guy likes to run a Macneil "wedge" mod seatpost so why slot it?
His frame has a euro BB, but we've also got a couple Mids. My feeling is that most people buying this frame would prefer a Mid BB. Any feed back? I also orginally thought people would want to run V-brakes, but now, I'm not so sure.
Seat tube on this bike is 10" center to center. Pretty close to a Fall Guy.
L
dam that looks like a sick ride. so sick....never thought i'd see this from tonic but im glad we have.
about the mid or euro BB question...a mid BB would be awesome considering you could run tons of different BMX cranks on it. i guess they do make some 3p Chromo cranks with a Euro BB but the mid is a very cool idea. BMX cranks are a lot cheaper most of the time as well so this could be a big plus in my book.
V-brakes or disc? i love V-brakes because they are super simple and even the cheapest ones have decent power. they are also a lot cheaper in general..maybe make it capable of running either? lots of people do like running disc's so it could be a draw back to some. also you can run any rim you want with disc which is nice..
just my opinions...im sure you already knew all this info but mite help a slight bit
about the mid or euro BB question...a mid BB would be awesome considering you could run tons of different BMX cranks on it. i guess they do make some 3p Chromo cranks with a Euro BB but the mid is a very cool idea. BMX cranks are a lot cheaper most of the time as well so this could be a big plus in my book.
V-brakes or disc? i love V-brakes because they are super simple and even the cheapest ones have decent power. they are also a lot cheaper in general..maybe make it capable of running either? lots of people do like running disc's so it could be a draw back to some. also you can run any rim you want with disc which is nice..
just my opinions...im sure you already knew all this info but mite help a slight bit
That's a tuffy for sure, I think you'll get 50/50 feedback on that. I personally have ran both on my P and I love the stopping power of the Disc all the time, I don't have to mess with adjustments as much as with V's, and when i ride street and get wet, we all know the brakes aren't as good.
But some peeps will live with what I don't like.
so my vote would be just Disc.
The mid should work but PLEASE make sure this has disk tabs, i can see the 24 not having them but on the 26 i think it would be crazy not to have them there. That alone would shy me away from buying this bike...
I'd say Spanish or Mid. Screw euro and those dinky bearings, especially now that more and more bmx cranks are coming with 22mm spindles.
Good looking bike. Actually looks a lot like my Simple... sans the Tonic seat stay.
New 26" looks great, look forward to seeing and hearing more.
As a slight side note has anyone else noticed when you google tonic fab it give the website up as "this site may harm your computer" and links you to all sort of badware warnings? Anyone that could shed some light would be great. I doubt tonicfab wants that tag.
As a slight side note has anyone else noticed when you google tonic fab it give the website up as "this site may harm your computer" and links you to all sort of badware warnings? Anyone that could shed some light would be great. I doubt tonicfab wants that tag.
I'm likin' what I'm seein'! Very smooth, very clean!
I never expected a 26'er from Tonic either, but same thing about USB. The market's there, the demand exists.... apparently enough to change hard opinions and ideas. progression continues.
Go Mid bb for sure.
but, wonder about 14mm X135 rear, or just 10mm X 135...
anyword on geo ideas yet?? 1 size fits all again? I'm guessing a guy marsh style set-up would be too large for me though.
didn't realize guy was on rst space now. I'm digging the new colors from atomlab, wish those rims were available though.
sorry for the sidetrack here...
that eastern front is a cool blog too... anyone have any idea how to contact that guy? He asks where that wallride is located and says, "let me know", but there is no way to let him know. It's near Detroit. was in a props vid, and that kid who bashed his teeth out... oh man.
I never expected a 26'er from Tonic either, but same thing about USB. The market's there, the demand exists.... apparently enough to change hard opinions and ideas. progression continues.
Go Mid bb for sure.
but, wonder about 14mm X135 rear, or just 10mm X 135...
anyword on geo ideas yet?? 1 size fits all again? I'm guessing a guy marsh style set-up would be too large for me though.
didn't realize guy was on rst space now. I'm digging the new colors from atomlab, wish those rims were available though.
sorry for the sidetrack here...
that eastern front is a cool blog too... anyone have any idea how to contact that guy? He asks where that wallride is located and says, "let me know", but there is no way to let him know. It's near Detroit. was in a props vid, and that kid who bashed his teeth out... oh man.
It's Ryan Denehy - I'll PM you his email address.
BikeSatori:
I'm glad you like the way the Howie looks, thanks. As for sizing, I think it'll be a one-size-fits-most bike for a while. I think the size of the bike was what I was immediately stoked on when I rode it. It's a 1/4" longer front end than a Fall Guy, and it just feels really good. It has the same amount of tire/toe clearance as a Fall Guy, so you can ride 175's and still have decent X-up clearance.
Guy's bike set-up is pretty normal. Medium rise bars, one or no stem spacers, and a low seat. Guy's not particularly tall (5-9-ish) and started blazing on the bike immediately. He has always ridden "longer" bikes though. Still, one of the worst things about these bikes is that very few people have a chance to ride them before they buy.
The Howie is definately going to be a 10x135 disc brake bike. I really like 14mm axles (and I don't ride pegs), but I couldn't even name a single manufacturer of a 14x135 hub. I want this bike to be as easy as possible for people to build up, and avoiding non-mainstream standards goes a long way to achieving this. If you want to run a 14mm BMX hub with 26" wheels, the Union Street Working Class Hero looks like a good choice.
Yeah, Guy did paint his rims..although Atomlab does have some new colors coming out, this isn't one of them.
-L
I'm glad you like the way the Howie looks, thanks. As for sizing, I think it'll be a one-size-fits-most bike for a while. I think the size of the bike was what I was immediately stoked on when I rode it. It's a 1/4" longer front end than a Fall Guy, and it just feels really good. It has the same amount of tire/toe clearance as a Fall Guy, so you can ride 175's and still have decent X-up clearance.
Guy's bike set-up is pretty normal. Medium rise bars, one or no stem spacers, and a low seat. Guy's not particularly tall (5-9-ish) and started blazing on the bike immediately. He has always ridden "longer" bikes though. Still, one of the worst things about these bikes is that very few people have a chance to ride them before they buy.
The Howie is definately going to be a 10x135 disc brake bike. I really like 14mm axles (and I don't ride pegs), but I couldn't even name a single manufacturer of a 14x135 hub. I want this bike to be as easy as possible for people to build up, and avoiding non-mainstream standards goes a long way to achieving this. If you want to run a 14mm BMX hub with 26" wheels, the Union Street Working Class Hero looks like a good choice.
Yeah, Guy did paint his rims..although Atomlab does have some new colors coming out, this isn't one of them.
-L
Very nice.. I like the bike..
Any idea what the frame weight gonna be like?
Any idea what the frame weight gonna be like?
in the words of landon:
geometry: tight
weight: light
price: right
if i were to venture a guess, i'd say around the same as a fall guy (700ish)
nugget:
The Howie is very light. Tiny dropouts, a very refined CS yoke, a compact frame, and some different tubing have really brought the weight down without sacrificing strength (in theory.) No rocket science, just refinements.
Testing is the main bottle neck getting this bike to market. It won't be released untill it's proven. Still in the prototype stage, but production bikes will be available late summer if things go according to plan.
For that matter, we have a batch of Fall Guys pretty much done, so if anyone is interested, contact me with a color choice.
-L
The Howie is very light. Tiny dropouts, a very refined CS yoke, a compact frame, and some different tubing have really brought the weight down without sacrificing strength (in theory.) No rocket science, just refinements.
Testing is the main bottle neck getting this bike to market. It won't be released untill it's proven. Still in the prototype stage, but production bikes will be available late summer if things go according to plan.
For that matter, we have a batch of Fall Guys pretty much done, so if anyone is interested, contact me with a color choice.
-L
So landon, we know this is in the prototype stages but what price point can we expect this bad boy to come in at? Just an estimate?
It does look sick. What's the BB height? Looks low.
like OPJones pointed out, I really really hope that is not a euro bb shell... I have some fly cups to cure that, but I'd rather not and just go with the simplicity and strength of a mid or spanish...
SB8 looks smooth on that too.
SB8 looks smooth on that too.
I think that's the nicest 2-6 I've ever seen. looks very well thought out.
I will have one soon!
It does look low in that photo. I think that's because of my brilliant photography. Notice how "level" the work bench is?
The bike has 1" of BB drop, with an 80mm fork, so it's the same BB height as a Fall Guy..12.5 to 12.75 depending on tires. Cru, I noticed your Simple (which looks really amazing) has very little, or no BB drop. BB height was a detail I wasn't so sure about with the Howie. I can see advantages to both higher and lower BBs. BB drop is one of the biggest differences between the Howie and the Fall Guy. I don't believe there's a definitive "right" answer. So far, riders have really liked the Howie's geometry, so we'll stick with this BB height for the moment.
It's hard to see, but the chainstay yoke is a 1/4# lighter than the Fall Guy. No revolutions, but a lot of little refinements.
Me too. We'll offer a euro, but most will be Mid bikes. The frame below is Mid. I doubt we'll offer one which can easily accept gears.
Looks really nice - super clean build and lines.
Slightly OT questions - how do you like the Small Block Tires? And what size are those? 2.35 front and rear?
Slightly OT questions - how do you like the Small Block Tires? And what size are those? 2.35 front and rear?
Does that sticker say "made in garage"? if so....nice work.