I WISH I could get tables that flat! Unfortunately my avatar is a pic of me tabling about as flat as I ever manage. Working on it though.....your avatar looks like this pic of the tomes. was it your intent? haha
I WISH I could get tables that flat! Unfortunately my avatar is a pic of me tabling about as flat as I ever manage. Working on it though.....your avatar looks like this pic of the tomes. was it your intent? haha
With out the CTE device this bike will have lot's off brake jack and chain growth i think.this bike is far far far from the 10's hight pivot with roller.
it will feel nothing like it, guaranteed.
and you obviously have no idea what you're talking about...With out the CTE device this bike will have lot's off brake jack and chain growth i think.
Just out of curiosity...how do you figure Trek "stole" the design....from what I heard it was an idea from inside Trek's design team...but from an engineer in a department not connected with frame development who happened to walking by the brainstorming group who was trying to figure out a way to make a better more active suspension design.Much better design, too bad trek stole it and is marketing it like crap (Active braking)
i never said it was light, but it isnt 14+lbs thats for sure.Wow, that makes it light...
Only heavier dh bike i know is nicolai lambda which is acording to nicolai 6.5kg (14.33lbs)
It might 'look' like a Kona but probably is made with 100x better quality and have a better warranty.it looks sick!! but it kinda looks like a kona
With rear axle, shock with ti spring and headset cups it does weigh 14lbs + I wish it never otherwise I would still be riding one....session 10 weighs 13.4 with shock, no rear axle...not 14lbs+
I found the prices off the whole session line up for this year.
Session 8 $2,499.99
Session 88 $3,499.99
Session 88 Frame $1,499.99
Session 10 Frame $2,499.99
Session 10 $4,499.99
Yeah they started work on this design in 05. You also have to wonder - Trek has had production bikes since May 31, 2007 with general dealer availability in summer 07 - which competitor had production bikes earlier than that or even prototypes earlier than Trek had prototypes?Just out of curiosity...how do you figure Trek "stole" the design....from what I heard it was an idea from inside Trek's design team...but from an engineer in a department not connected with frame development who happened to walking by the brainstorming group who was trying to figure out a way to make a better more active suspension design.
This could be a flim flam of a story but this is what I was told by Trek people in Whistler last August....however any answers to the questions about the new frame(Session 8) that I kept seeing on the mountain for about a week went unanswered with a hush hush gonna be out sometime if you are lucky kind of delivery.
I think most people commenting on how it looks like a Stab are merely saying the seat tower/top tube configuration looks similar - nothing to do with the suspension.For all the people who say it looks like a Kona, you need to study bicycle design as the method in which the shock is driven does not determine what design it is. Horst link bikes, Virtual bikes, single pivot bikes and this new axle pivot can all use the same rocker to drive the shock.
I think most people commenting on how it looks like a Stab are merely saying the seat tower/top tube configuration looks similar - nothing to do with the suspension.
This bike does have the ABP but it does not have the floating lower shock mount like the Fuels....the pivot for the rear chainstays is the same as it was on the Session 77s.
Decline clearly says full floater and ABP in the last sentence of their article. Full floater must mean the shock mount style otherwise that would be like saying it has a floating brake and a floating brake:This bike does have the ABP but it does not have the floating lower shock mount like the Fuels....the pivot for the rear chainstays is the same as it was on the Session 77s.
Floating shock mount is nothing new for MTBs...The full floater is when both the upper and lower shock mounting points pivot but on different leverage ratios. It is supposed to be felt most near the end of the stroke when it is more of a soft bottom than a very hars ramp up. Its a design I had always thought of in full sus. bikes but haven't really seen it until this design. (Though I'm sure I'm missing it somewhere??)
Floating shock mount is nothing new for MTBs...
Other than on the DW-link, floating shock mounts just offer a clean look with shock rate tuning vs. frame mount but aren't really that special. Motorcycles have been using them for longer than MTBs.I know there are floating designs, I just thought they were designed differently than this one. I have always been a hardtail/standard 4-bar guy until recently when I started seriously looking into a new DH rig.
I talked with the guys when they were in Whistler testing the bikes. These are prototype bikes, and as such may not look exactly like produciton bikes. The only specific thing I can remember them saying they would like to change is the sharp angle of the tube extending out of the top of the bb.reminiscent of the bruiser series as far as aesthetics, lets hope the performance is a little less GAY (yes I mean gay)