That's similar to my build up. Mine is 40lbs 6oz with an 888 SLATA, a Ti spring on the DHX5.0, and a Ti roadie saddle. It's for sale for $2750 if you know anyone looking.Layton, with this build can I get it at 40lb?
Medium El C/ DHX5.0
07 888WC
CK headset
Thomson X4 50mm
Sunline V-One (not carbon)
Formula K24 200mm front/ rear
ODI lock on
X9 trigger
X9 rear der
XT 165 36t
Tioga MX
XT 11-34
e13 SRS
Thomson Elite 250mm
WTB Pure V cromo
Hope Pro II/ Mavic EX823
Michelin 16 front/ 24 rear tubeless
Do you know Andrew Pierce's El C weight?
My Cuervomatix.xls shows yours to be around 41.4 lbs as describe (no ti...)Layton, with this build can I get it at 40lb?
41.4 is with a tecate in the water bottle cage.My Cuervomatix.xls shows yours to be around 41.4 lbs as describe (no ti...)
If you have to choose again, which one would you pick now that you have ridden both? Though both very similar and good bikes.I have both in my garage right now and Layton is right. Very similar in the way they handle and ride. The Cuervo is more supple on small stuff and more harsh on big stuff due to the ramp up. Both are low, slack, and turn like crazy. The weight is carried low on both but slightly lower on the DHR.
Good choice either way.
Are you sure it's not 36.2? That the word on the street anywayyou can get the DHR to 36.4
43? That's a little high for my taste. From your build I could mimic the Ti spring, save 160g I think.That's similar to my build up. Mine is 40lbs 6oz with an 888 SLATA, a Ti spring on the DHX5.0, and a Ti roadie saddle. It's for sale for $2750 if you know anyone looking.
The 07-08 frames are a bit heavier than the 05-06 ones due to thicker tubing in the swingarm, so it's rare to see one under 40#.
Pierce rides very fast, in a straight line, if you know what I mean. His weighs about 42.5-43#, with Saint cranks, E13 standard guide, Fox 40, non-tubeless wheels etc. I think each time he gets his bike below 42#, it blows up mid run.
I'm selling my 07 Cuervo and I do get to pick between the two. I'm getting another Ventana. why? 1-I like everything about the bike and see no reason to change (I know how to set it up). 2-Ventana is one of the few places that does everything (CNC, Welding, Heat treat, paint) in house, so I can get a custom color. 3- they have bikes (Turner hasn't for most of the year, and may not any time soon). 4-The people at Ventana and Go-ride have always been very good to work with (same is true of turner though from what I hear).43? That's a little high for my taste. From your build I could mimic the Ti spring, save 160g I think.
And from your experience, if you have to choose again which one would you pick? I know both good bikes, ride and handle very similar but would you say there's anything more or less that you say "for this quality I would pick X rather than Y"?
Hmm, I'm interested in your comment about DHR being a better jumper. Bc sometimes I'm going to FR though nothing huge, but some jumps a la DJ which pulls you up very high. Maybe I should consider this characteristic since I want a bike which is good in the air. From your experience El C is more planted in this case, you jump and it doesn't fly high, more like racing oriented?I've ridden both though I have much more time on the DHR.
They are both awesome yet different. Inconclusive, I know.
DHR is lighter. More linear. Jumps better. The beginning of it's travel is stiffer so it rides a bit higher and pops off small stuff better. I have never felt so in control in the air as I do on my DHR.
El Cuervo: Heavier, of course. Much more progressive. My friends with a 450# spring is softer than my DHR with a 400#.
Proven, burly design. What has it been, 5 years since they introduced this bike and almost no changes except a small geo tweak.
The sizing on the Large is nearly identical. They really do feel like the same bike.
Both great bikes, you really can't go wrong.
Yep, #3 indeed is PITA. El C is available right now and DHR is supposed to be ready in a month, maybe more who knows. Besides weight one important thing is that it should be a good jumper as well. I know DH bikes are not intended to do so, specially racing ones, but I like to get air sometimes. Do you feel they're same for jumping, catching air?I'm selling my 07 Cuervo and I do get to pick between the two. I'm getting another Ventana. why? 1-I like everything about the bike and see no reason to change (I know how to set it up). 2-Ventana is one of the few places that does everything (CNC, Welding, Heat treat, paint) in house, so I can get a custom color. 3- they have bikes (Turner hasn't for most of the year, and may not any time soon). 4-The people at Ventana and Go-ride have always been very good to work with (same is true of turner though from what I hear).
Honestly, other than #3 above you won't find any huge difference between the two.
Justin, I've just read your pm, thanks. Disconsider the question above, you've already answered.Yep, #3 indeed is PITA. El C is available right now and DHR is supposed to be ready in a month, maybe more who knows. Besides weight one important thing is that it should be a good jumper as well. I know DH bikes are not intended to do so, specially racing ones, but I like to get air sometimes. Do you feel they're same for jumping, catching air?
I can't comment on the DHR, but if you like to jump you'll be very happy with the El Cuervo. I ride mine at Whistler quite a bit and it feels fantastic on the jump trails (A-Line, Freight Train, etc). It's very stable in the air...and of course on the ground too! :biggrin: I would buy this bike again with no question.Hmm, I'm interested in your comment about DHR being a better jumper. Bc sometimes I'm going to FR though nothing huge, but some jumps a la DJ which pulls you up very high. Maybe I should consider this characteristic since I want a bike which is good in the air. From your experience El C is more planted in this case, you jump and it doesn't fly high, more like racing oriented?
The newer ones have a steel sleeve there to avoid that. I think you can get it retrofitted in, you could call Ventana and ask. They've been really good about reconditioning frames/repainting etc for fairly cheap.Quick question for all the El Cuervo owners posting here. Have any of you had any issues with the top seatstay bearing seats? Mine have stretched to the point where my bearings on both sides have quite a bit of play between the outside of the bearing and the frame. The fix according to Ventana was to put Loctite quick set steel on the outside of the bearings to take up the slop, which I've done and its held up through 2 races, and a couple rides. My problems are, what to do if I need to change the bearings, and what to do if I decide to sell the frame. Anyway, I was just wondering if this has happened to anyone on here. Ventana said it was an issue they had dealt with before.
I have a freind who has had one "ready in a month" since last November.Yep, #3 indeed is PITA. El C is available right now and DHR is supposed to be ready in a month, maybe more who knows.
Ouch, that hurts. Since last November???? I know some were released on April or May, wasn't aware it could take sooooooo long.I have a freind who has had one "ready in a month" since last November.
I was told 11.5lb for Medium with shock, steel spring and rear axle.How heavy is the El Cuervo frame?
Glad to hear, I had the idea el c was more of a plow bike which likes to stay planted on ground.I can't comment on the DHR, but if you like to jump you'll be very happy with the El Cuervo. I ride mine at Whistler quite a bit and it feels fantastic on the jump trails (A-Line, Freight Train, etc). It's very stable in the air...and of course on the ground too! :biggrin: I would buy this bike again with no question.
It feels like a very good compromise of both, which is largely the reason I'm so happy with it. It definitely sticks to the ground quite well...then again it's a 9" travel DH bike. I definitely didn't buy it to "go around stuff". lol...Glad to hear, I had the idea el c was more of a plow bike which likes to stay planted on ground.
Yeah. You actually never take them off the bike.. You don't really know they are there.Do I get adapters stock when purchase El C?
Exactly. I don't remenber ever taking mine off on my old one (unlike on my yeti 303 where the shims had a tendency to always slip out when I was putting my wheel in!!)Even if you flat your tire or whatever maintenance you do? The adapter simply stay put at axle?
It's the same as the '05-07 DHR.Even if you flat your tire or whatever maintenance you do? The adapter simply stay put at axle?
The 03-06 DHR's and El Cuervo have nearly identical 12 mm reducers in the rear dropouts held in by pinch bolts.Exactly. I don't remenber ever taking mine off on my old one (unlike on my yeti 303 where the shims had a tendency to always slip out when I was putting my wheel in!!)
Hmm, I'm interested in your comment about DHR being a better jumper. Bc sometimes I'm going to FR though nothing huge, but some jumps a la DJ which pulls you up very high. Maybe I should consider this characteristic since I want a bike which is good in the air. From your experience El C is more planted in this case, you jump and it doesn't fly high, more like racing oriented?
The problem with having a broken arm, is that it makes you type slow.The 03-06 DHR's and El Cuervo have nearly identical 12 mm reducers in the rear dropouts held in by pinch bolts.