Time to put on some hypothetical shoes...
-Frame posted for sale here on RM for $1500 or best offer
-You offer full $1500
-Ad does not mention anything about shipping
-Seller mentions he cant ship for two weeks
-Transaction is agreed upon and paid for in full
-Seller has cash in hand for 2 weeks
-Several PM's back and forth for a week discussing all details of transaction
-Discussed several times the exact shipping date, etc...
-NEVER was shipping charges discussed
-Since you paid full asking price, you assume seller will swallow shipping
-Finally, shipping day arrives, you log on and have a PM:
"Hey, I'm about to go ship. As I mentioned in my PINKBIKE AD, buyer pays shipping, so I'm gonna sent it COD, hope thats OK"
-You are now pissed off
-What PINKBIKE AD???
-What shipping charges???
-COD??? (more charges.. UPS charges for COD service)
-You send a reply PM saying this is the first you've heard of shipping
-You dont want it sent COD because you will not be present to sign
-You also dont want it sent COD because there are extra fees
-You tell the seller that if he wants to stick you with shipping charges NOW, you'd rather just Paypal him.
-By pure luck, the seller sees the PM and replies that he wont ship it COD
-You go look on "PINKBIKE" and find seller's ad similar to ad on this site
-Seller does not mention anything about "buyer pays shipping" in either ad
-You mention this again to seller via PM
-He responds with "oops... thought I put that on Pinkbike"
Again, WTF does Pinkpike have to do with anything???
-At this point it is obvious that seller is expecting you to pay the $40-50 shipping charge for the frame
-You deal with it
-Two days later you get a PM from the seller, "shipping was $100" (9lb frame mind you)
-You say, WTF???? (considering you just shipped a complete DH bike via UPS from east to west coast for $110)
-Seller provides a scan of receipt showing the following:
=full size bike box, resulting in "oversize/60lb billable weight" (again 9lb frame)
=seller had UPS "pack and ship" which added to the cost
=seller insured for $2600 instead of $1500 (if frame is lost, would you get your $1500 cash back, or $2600? Does the seller keep $1100?)
NOW.... What would you do?
a) dont pay anything because shipping was not discussed and seller was obviously being sneeky by attempting to send COD w/o ever discussing
b) pay $100 for shipping for a 9 lb. frame
c) pay $50 (half cost) which should have been a more realistic cost w/ the proper insurance, proper size box and no UPS charges for packing, etc...
-Frame posted for sale here on RM for $1500 or best offer
-You offer full $1500
-Ad does not mention anything about shipping
-Seller mentions he cant ship for two weeks
-Transaction is agreed upon and paid for in full
-Seller has cash in hand for 2 weeks
-Several PM's back and forth for a week discussing all details of transaction
-Discussed several times the exact shipping date, etc...
-NEVER was shipping charges discussed
-Since you paid full asking price, you assume seller will swallow shipping
-Finally, shipping day arrives, you log on and have a PM:
"Hey, I'm about to go ship. As I mentioned in my PINKBIKE AD, buyer pays shipping, so I'm gonna sent it COD, hope thats OK"
-You are now pissed off
-What PINKBIKE AD???
-What shipping charges???
-COD??? (more charges.. UPS charges for COD service)
-You send a reply PM saying this is the first you've heard of shipping
-You dont want it sent COD because you will not be present to sign
-You also dont want it sent COD because there are extra fees
-You tell the seller that if he wants to stick you with shipping charges NOW, you'd rather just Paypal him.
-By pure luck, the seller sees the PM and replies that he wont ship it COD
-You go look on "PINKBIKE" and find seller's ad similar to ad on this site
-Seller does not mention anything about "buyer pays shipping" in either ad
-You mention this again to seller via PM
-He responds with "oops... thought I put that on Pinkbike"
Again, WTF does Pinkpike have to do with anything???
-At this point it is obvious that seller is expecting you to pay the $40-50 shipping charge for the frame
-You deal with it
-Two days later you get a PM from the seller, "shipping was $100" (9lb frame mind you)
-You say, WTF???? (considering you just shipped a complete DH bike via UPS from east to west coast for $110)
-Seller provides a scan of receipt showing the following:
=full size bike box, resulting in "oversize/60lb billable weight" (again 9lb frame)
=seller had UPS "pack and ship" which added to the cost
=seller insured for $2600 instead of $1500 (if frame is lost, would you get your $1500 cash back, or $2600? Does the seller keep $1100?)
NOW.... What would you do?
a) dont pay anything because shipping was not discussed and seller was obviously being sneeky by attempting to send COD w/o ever discussing
b) pay $100 for shipping for a 9 lb. frame
c) pay $50 (half cost) which should have been a more realistic cost w/ the proper insurance, proper size box and no UPS charges for packing, etc...