[math2014]

Having good Italian bikes, does not make american bikes bad.....

Ferrari and Lambo are specialist cars.... It is like getting a works M1 for everyday hucking at whistler.

 

[Lexx D]

But we are getting away from the bike industry, I was just saying that this small Italian manufactuer are very good at making quaility bikes, more so than most North American Manufacturers, with the exception of the likes of Canfield, Foes etc......., who just dont know the meaning of true Quaility.

Everyone has people who make shyt. But there is no way that the ancillotti you showed is better quality(or design)than a BMW, Foes, Turner etc.... Coming out and saying how superior a bike that most people have not heard of more or less riden is crazy. Sure I'll bet it's great bike but i don't see any way it's ahead of the rest. I'm not sure who all these low quality american manufacturers are?

 

[Lexx D]

..

Ferrari and Lambo are specialist cars.... It is like getting a works M1 for everyday hucking at whistler.

Yeah and we've got our specials also. Saleen S7 for example.

 

[math2014]

Yeah and we've got our specials also. Saleen S7 for example.

No doubt about it bro, but Italian and German sports cars are usually the Pinnacle. This is not to say that US made cars are bad or anything like that....

so if you come flaming at me.... i ll get a biiiig hose
:nuts:

Peace bro.

 

[Lexx D]

No doubt about it bro, but Italian and German sports cars are usually the Pinnacle. This is not to say that US made cars are bad or anything like that....

so if you come flaming at me.... i ll get a biiiig hose
:nuts:

Peace bro.

I'm really not trying to attck anyone. But the original post of how american bikes can't hold a candle to some italian bike i've never seen is a in my book.

 

[Lexx D]

No doubt about it bro, but Italian and German sports cars are usually the Pinnacle. This is not to say that US made cars are bad or anything like that....

Oh no don't get me wrong most american cars are shyt. But then again I work for Toyota.

 

[math2014]

I'm really not trying to attck anyone. But the original post of how american bikes can't hold a candle to some italian bike i've never seen is a in my book.

I am totally with you bro on this one.... it was a damn silly arguement.... and flaming against a nation's bike industry.

 

[seismic]

Living in the EU I have come across tons of Italien bikes. In general they might be ok, but I think it is only a handfull that I would consider worth anything (or maybe just 2 or 3 brands). The Italien firms often seem bound by tradition and a long history of making bikes, - which IMO leads to a static situation when it comes to development and research in new production methods. The very concervative and often old fashion way of producing the bikes is NOT a proof of quality. I would never by an Italien race bike !!!

 

[Akula_7]

This is gettin a bit heated...... I was not rying to say that Ancillotti are a better bike than some American brands,(better then Trek and Spec deffo ) but they are savage, like unbelievable, as for my
Danish friend your points are definetely valid but do not apply in ancillottis case. Really they dont. Sorry if I pissed the yanks off, but sure were all terrorists no!!!!!!! Your either with us or against yea??????


As for the car debate, I'm not sure how much experience everyone here has with true European cars, but some peoples claims that a VW or Volvo wont go much beyond 100k is mad.... I still have an 86 Golf GTi 16v (Mk2) and she is still flyin at 212k and as far as I see thats not an exception, anyone who practices Bangernomics almost always picks a Scandanavian or German car usually because they are the only ones still around.

I wasn't flamin against a nations bike industry either I just like to stir some **** every now and again.

As for Lexx D I wasn't saying the Ancillotti is far superior quaility to ALL american bikes, but as you lot have all mentioned you have never seen an Ancillotti, where as I have riddin Foes DH mono, 2 model of Turners, many friends M1's, and I still have 2 Ancillottis, and from my experiences the Ancillotti suited me all round the best, it pedal'd way better then the Turner(I couldnt understand why), wasn't overly superior than an M1, but it is different and exotic, its could to have a change lads.

Anyway I know I was a bit harsh slaggin that Yanks but sure Ireland aint gonna bet you in much(except the Rugby and DH(cough ranking, cough). I was just giving the starter of this post something else to thing about, something with a bit of Euro flava.

Later gents, nice bitchin with ya'll!

 

[seismic]

I have to admit that I do not know Ancillotti, - so of course I can not tell whether they are like "most Italien brands" or not....they might be different by the way .. am I a terroist too ??

 

[punkassean]

keep in mind when I say 100K that K=thousand (miles) not kilometers. I have seen golfs etc go to high milage but not without serious maintenance. Toyota/Honda own reliability. You pretty much get 150K guaranteed with only scheduled maintenance. I have personally owned a 90 VW Corrado, and that's the first and last V-dub I'll ever own.

As far as bikes though, I don't think anyone is pigeon holing the ability of a specific nation to produce a decent bike...

 

[sh*t scared]

Anyone got a HOOD to sell me???


PLEASE!!

 

[Lexx D]

Anyone got a HOOD to sell me???


PLEASE!!

Did you ever check the link to Down Cycles I posted before? There is no better person to deal with and he has one in stock.
From AJ's site
"HOOD 9" Mussel. Yes, DOWN Cycles has one of these unbelievably strong, hand made frame kits in stock. One size fits all. Designed, tested and built on the East coast. This frame is basically a Spooky Project X on steroids. Jimmy's design uses the proven strength of many small and large cromo triangles to build a life long reliable machine. Frame comes with a Avalanche 3" stroke rear shock, (valving set up for a rider 175-200lbs), a custom Hadley through axel rear hub, black 170mm Profile cromo crack system, Evil/ e13 chainguide, chainring and an extra rear derailleur hanger. Powder coat tractor Yellow. This frame kit should sell for $3300.00. A special one time only introductory price at DOWN Cycles."

Go to the site and click on new products.

 

[llkoolkeg]

i've personally seen about 6 broken banshee screams. the chainstay(despite it's size and weight) is very whimpy.........

Suuuuuure you did..."personally". Uh huh. I know nothing at all about you, but your post is not getting pass the BS-sniffer.

Nah just piss poor engineering

I will spare you the same only because you added a smilie.

Real wimpy, no doubt...

 

[ThePriceSeliger]

"World's toughest" is quite a stretch.. All things break, eventually.

Canfield Brothers Fatty Fat?

I thought they only made like a couple of those just for themselfes?

 

[nickaziz]

You're thinking of the "Big Fatty Fat"

Canfield made the "fatty fat" for a while and i'm sure sold quite a few. They now make the F1 (race) and the signature series which is a steel bike with custom specs and it replaces the fatty fat in the product line.

 

[flymybike]

We still have two Fatty Fat's left to be built. Each is built to the riders needs. I know where to get a used one in pimp shape also. 3G
The Big Fat Fatty Fat was a prototype to prove the design and only two where built. We have been throwing around the idea of building a few more. Just not sure how they would sell.

 

[nickaziz]

In terms of pure strength, is the Fatty Fat or the steel frame more durable? Also how does weight compare.

 

[seismic]

Both seem extremely durable !

 

[WestCoastHucker]

Suuuuuure you did..."personally". Uh huh. I know nothing at all about you, but your post is not getting pass the BS-sniffer.
.

OK 4 of them were in my hot little hands and the other two were just pictures......

three of my friends have them. one of them has broken 2 in less than a year, and one of the others has also broken one of them.
one more was a friend of a riding partner. (i shipped it in for him)
that is the 4 i have had in my hands....

not to mention all the broken ones i've seen on some of the forums....

 

[llkoolkeg]

OK 4 of them were in my hot little hands and the other two were just pictures......

three of my friends have them. one of them has broken 2 in less than a year, and one of the others has also broken one of them.
one more was a friend of a riding partner. (i shipped it in for him)
that is the 4 i have had in my hands....

not to mention all the broken ones i've seen on some of the forums....

Were these '02 - 03's, before they redesigned the shock basement? If all your friends are so bad-assed that they are breaking Banshee Screams, what could they possibly buy with that money that wouldn't break? I'd love to know, because it's been the most trouble-free bike I've ever owned. I've had mine since '02 and haven't broken(or even serviced or maintained) a single bit on it. It's truly a set it & forget it frameset.

 

[math2014]

I've had mine since '02 and haven't broken(or even serviced or maintained) a single bit on it. It's truly a set it & forget it frameset.

sounds like the ideal frame to me!

 

[seismic]

I do not think that breaking a Scream is a common problem

 

[jackalope]

OK, almost on principle alone (well, that, plus a modest effort at annoying Zedro), I've got to throw the SC Bullit in there for a cheap, almost bombproof FR frame...If you're going to bandy about names like the Big Hit and Stinky, you have to include the original single pivot FR sled...I think all three are great FR tanks, especially for the $$$...

Btw, I did see a Scream with an ovalized HT...But that dude was doing some sick stuff on it for a good while...Lots of nasty looking erbon stuff as well...

All that said, my vote is for the Canfield - especially if you got money to burn...

 

[WestCoastHucker]

Were these '02 - 03's, before they redesigned the shock basement? .............

3 of them were 03's and one an '04. the same person broke an 03 and an 04. and i am not really sure what the shock basement has to do with rear triangles exploding.....

if you don't believe me, you can simply ask the banshee guys about the NORCAL CREW (or maybe they-the banshee guys- will chime in) and verify my story. they are down with each other and know all about their bikes these guys break regularly........

and your logic is flawed, just because you had a perfect experience with banshee means nothing. my old khs dominatrax went way bigger than you on a daily basis for over 3 years and i never had a problem with it. that dosen't make it a bulletproof bike....

as for set and forget, my wife and sisters bikes are also set and forget too......

 

[sh*t scared]

Did you ever check the link to Down Cycles I posted before? There is no better person to deal with and he has one in stock.
From AJ's site
"HOOD 9" Mussel. Yes, DOWN Cycles has one of these unbelievably strong, hand made frame kits in stock. One size fits all. Designed, tested and built on the East coast. This frame is basically a Spooky Project X on steroids. Jimmy's design uses the proven strength of many small and large cromo triangles to build a life long reliable machine. Frame comes with a Avalanche 3" stroke rear shock, (valving set up for a rider 175-200lbs), a custom Hadley through axel rear hub, black 170mm Profile cromo crack system, Evil/ e13 chainguide, chainring and an extra rear derailleur hanger. Powder coat tractor Yellow. This frame kit should sell for $3300.00. A special one time only introductory price at DOWN Cycles."

Go to the site and click on new products.

Yeah, i´m just waiting for AJ to give me the weight and box size so that i can get a shipping quote.

I´ll be very happy soon

Thanks mate!

Scot

 

[LeRoy]

That Bombproof company is still around.

Check: www.bombproof-bikes.com

I think that company was founded after one too many Mountain Dew chugging contests (or bong wars).

 

[zedro]

I think that company was founded after one too many Mountain Dew chugging contests (or bong wars).

you gotta love the cheekyness tho, like the NWS concept....

 

[Lexx D]

Yeah, i´m just waiting for AJ to give me the weight and box size so that i can get a shipping quote.

I´ll be very happy soon

Thanks mate!

Scot

Good stuff. I was at the shop picking up my wheels and drooled on it for a while but that shouldn't hurt anything.

 

[Kntr]

My buddy had 5-6 small cracks in his Banshee Scream frame also. They were all around the welds around the shock and pivot. Nothing actually broke, just small cracks. Yes I saw them. His was an 02 or 03. They replaced it with the 04 and so far no problems. His bike weighs in at about 50 lbs and he weighs 160 ish. He does go huge and isn't the smoothest rider. No offense JH.... I saw him do Diggers Rock at the NS on the cracked Scream and it still didn't break. Bashee warrentied it the next day before we left for home.

The fact is Banshee Scream owners usually go big so you will see them break. They are not a bad bike at all. Someone who buys a Scream will beat it and thats what they are designed for.

All bikes break.

 

[seismic]

You guys must be riding pretty hard I guess !

 

[sh*t scared]

Good stuff. I was at the shop picking up my wheels and drooled on it for a while but that shouldn't hurt anything.

AJ told me that some people had been in, but promised me that there was no drool on the frame at all!! Cant wait to start building it up!