[N8 v2.0]

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2943560&page=1

Sunny Lane is her stage name, and her parents also go by the same last name. For the last year and a half, life in the apartment has revolved around the business of selling Sunny, whom they market as "The Girl Next Door Turned Hard Core."

 

[urbaindk]

I just happened to be flipping through the channels last night and saw that. That girl's parents are f'ed up.

When asked how they felt about her doing porn they replied "at least we know where she is and what she's doing"

Umm, yeah, you know where she is but it should disturb the hell out of you. What's wrong with you people?

 

[stinkyboy]

A Google image search shows that she is deep in the porn biz. Her parents should disown her?

 

[urbaindk]

A Google image search shows that she is deep in the porn biz. Her parents should disown her?

No. Obviously not. Maybe they could have stepped in a little earlier? The parents' affectation led me to believe that they might have been borderline retarded (at least well below average IQ) It seems like they are just profiteering off of her "success" (I use the word success "loosely" here, and I use the word loosely - well for obvious reasons).

Actually I'm not sure what the answer is here. She's seems perfectly fine with selling herself, her parents seem fine with her selling herself, and who am I to judge. Like they say, aren't we all prostitutes in our own way?

 

[MudGrrl]

"I found that other pasty"


"we have the burlesque outfit"



=things I don't want my parents to say to me




also.... where do they say they are Christians?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

"I found that other pasty"


"we have the burlesque outfit"



=things I don't want my parents to say to me




also.... where do they say they are Christians?

It doesn't say that the Lane's are...It says that Sophia Lynn (Another porn chick that recently "retired") was raised Christian.

Unlike Sunny, Sophia Lynn entered her career in pornography alone, with no family support. After only being in the business for a few months, she already seemed to be an experienced pro. The blonde glamour girl says she comes from a devout Christian family and only got into porn to make some extra money. She had gone through a divorce and had a young child to help support.

 

[SilentJ]

No. Obviously not. Maybe they could have stepped in a little earlier?

Actually I'm not sure what the answer is here.

I'm not sure why they should have "stepped in" and why there needs to be an answer? Sure, it's a little jacked up that her parents are involved in it, but as long as no laws were broken, what's the problem?

 

[i-ride]

Actually I'm not sure what the answer is here. She's seems perfectly fine with selling herself, her parents seem fine with her selling herself, and who am I to judge.

Me either. No clear black and white here, really. 'Ignorance' explains why she and her parents both seem 'fine with it'. 'Ignorance' insofar as they don't appear to be in consideration of longer term psychosocial and/or physical consequences of this behavior/lifestyle... I have tons of thoughts on this.. but only have a second now..so I'll just throw a few Qs out and come back later..

so who ARE we to judge? is it our place as a society to sanction this type of lifestyle/parenting? does this even have any affect on ppl other than those directly involved? .. not only does this girl need better care and guidance- but so do the parents- JDS, you mentioned borderline retarded.. not sure if i would say that exactly, but i tell ya what: there's DEFINITELY a serious mental health and/or personality thing happenin'. America eats its young.

 

[i-ride]

Sure, it's a little jacked up that her parents are involved in it, but as long as no laws were broken, what's the problem?

WHAA? So everything that is legal is ok? and everything that is ok is legal?

 

[N8 v2.0]

wonder if they would be mules if she were a drug dealer

 

[N8 v2.0]

A Google image search shows that she is deep in the porn biz.

like what??

 

[SilentJ]

WHAA? So everything that is legal is ok? and everything that is ok is legal?

So, there's something wrong with having sex? What makes it different if people watch and there are cameras present?

 

[stinkyboy]

like what??

That will give you something to do while sipping your cranappletini tonight. :biggrin:

"I found that other pasty"

"we have the burlesque outfit"

=things I don't want my parents to say to me

LOL!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I like porn.

Would I watch it with my parents? Hell no. Would I want my parents watching me in a porn? Hell no.

Apparently, she doesn't have a problem with it, and I still like porn. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm not gonna do this. What do I care if she does?

She makes porn. I like porn.

 

[urbaindk]

.. not only does this girl need better care and guidance- but so do the parents- JDS, you mentioned borderline retarded.. not sure if i would say that exactly, but i tell ya what: there's DEFINITELY a serious mental health and/or personality thing happenin'. America eats its young.

Yeah, Maybe I should have chosen my wording more carefully. I'd hate to give retards a bad name, I've met some really nice retards (ehhm - developmentally challenged individuals). I'm not sure what it is. Down in the south we's got a sayin' that we use when you can't really put a finger on what's wrong with a person ... "they just ain't right"

 

[dirtydirtysouf]

I like porn.

Would I watch it with my parents? Hell no. Would I want my parents watching me in a porn? Hell no.

Apparently, she doesn't have a problem with it, and I still like porn. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm not gonna do this. What do I care if she does?

She makes porn. I like porn.

x2...........its all about the $$$$$$ you can make

 

[i-ride]

So, there's something wrong with having sex? What makes it different if people watch and there are cameras present?

There's nothing wrong with sex.

My personal opinion, however, is that "pornography" (not all of it, but the majority of it) objectifies women--if you think otherwise, i'd challenge you. Pornography (not all of it, but the majority of it) degrades women-- if you think otherwise, i'd challenge you. Not to mention what often comes hand in hand (no pun) with pornography: drug abuse, exploitation of impressionable girls, degradation, sexual/physical/emotional/financial abuse, not to mention all of the psychological effects it has on (mainly) the females involvedelf image, self esteem, feelings of worth, and the "I am my body and nothing else" type of worldview. Again, if you think otherwise, i'd challenge you to consider reality. These are the facts; everyone knows it.

If her parents were fervently supporting and encouraging some sort of artistic, sensual sexuality, it might be different. If they were supporting and encouraging a lifestyle that was not self-destructive or self-effacing in nature, it would be different. --They're encouraging their daughter's engagement in "pornography", which intrinsically does not, by common definition, have a great number of redeeming qualities. 'Pornography' implies degradation of the female species and perpetuates inequality- let's face it.

Now, the other side of this coin is that I, like others (particularly males) enjoy certain forms of pornography. It's human nature. So am i being hypocritical?- I don't know- but at least I see it for what it is.

JDS: don't worry, i know quite a few retards myself.. ..no shame in that. Just eliciting the diff btwn cognitive impairment and personality type stuff.

 

[Toshi]

It seems like they are just profiteering off of her "success" (I use the word success "loosely" here, and I use the word loosely - well for obvious reasons).

 

[stevew]

I bet dad sniffs the used ziploced panties.

 

[moff_quigley]

^^^Winnar! LOL. I think I'll go puke now.

 

[luelling]

drug abuse, exploitation of impressionable girls, degradation, sexual/physical/emotional/financial abuse, not to mention all of the psychological effects it has on (mainly) the females involvedelf image, self esteem, feelings of worth, and the "I am my body and nothing else" type of worldview.

So we shouldn't encourage our kids to become rock stars or movie stars either? And yes, pop stars get to the top based a lot on looks and their body, so they are selling themselves as well.

Have you watched any of the interviews with women in porn? Most of them like what they do, and don't feel there is anything wrong with it. In reality lots of people may say this article is disgusting, but they are the same people buying the porn (that $13 bill a year comes from more than a few people). Its funny becuase I watched an interview with Jenna Jameson last night, I don't think she has a problem with the fame, and around $50 million a year, her carreer has brought her.....and she doesn't seem messed up at all.

I do however think its wierd how much they support her....I wouldn't want my parents involved in my career if I was in porn.

 

[i-ride]

So we shouldn't encourage our kids to become rock stars or movie stars either? And yes, pop stars get to the top based a lot on looks and their body, so they are selling themselves as well.

Have you watched any of the interviews with women in porn? Most of them like what they do, and don't feel there is anything wrong with it. In reality lots of people may say this article is disgusting, but they are the same people buying the porn (that $13 bill a year comes from more than a few people). Its funny becuase I watched an interview with Jenna Jameson last night, I don't think she has a problem with the fame, and around $50 million a year, her carreer has brought her.....and she doesn't seem messed up at all.

I do however think its wierd how much they support her....I wouldn't want my parents involved in my career if I was in porn.

You have a pt. But what you quoted from me was the last argument that i tacked on-- it's more powerful when combined with all the others. But again, y ou have a pt.

Yea i know many porn stars "like what they do", or so they claim. I mean, they're in front of a camera, for an interview-- it could be reactive. "and she doesn't seem messed up at all.." well of course she's gonna put her best foot forward, she's in front of the camera..

And we don't see interviews with former pornography stars in their late adulthood either, do we? That would be more telling.. more accurate. When i was using cocaine and getting stoned and drinking and driving, i didn't really see anything wrong with it either.

 

[Kihaji]

You have a pt. But what you quoted from me was the last argument that i tacked on-- it's more powerful when combined with all the others. But again, y ou have a pt.

Yea i know many porn stars "like what they do", or so they claim. I mean, they're in front of a camera, for an interview-- it could be reactive. "and she doesn't seem messed up at all.." well of course she's gonna put her best foot forward, she's in front of the camera..

And we don't see interviews with former pornography stars in their late adulthood either, do we? That would be more telling.. more accurate. When i was using cocaine and getting stoned and drinking and driving, i didn't really see anything wrong with it either.

More people compromise their morals and values for a regular 9-5 "respectable" job than there have ever been porn stars.

 

[BurlyShirley]

More people compromise their morals and values for a regular 9-5 "respectable" job than there have ever been porn stars.

Agreed. Morality isnt universal either so what's "messed up" for one may be perfectly fine for another.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I like porn.

 

[i-ride]

More people compromise their morals and values for a regular 9-5 "respectable" job than there have ever been porn stars.

What's this mean?

 

[BurlyShirley]

What's this mean?

To me it means people compromise their different values in lots of ways, and dont even realize it. Ever kiss up to a boss you dont like? Every get violently mad in traffic? Drop your kid off at daycare? Present facts in a slanted light? Lie? Just because ****ing on camera is visual doesnt mean its any worse. People arent true to or with themselves in many ways.

 

[jimmydean]

Agreed. Morality isnt universal either so what's "messed up" for one may be perfectly fine for another.

I think it's the same as perversion. It's only bad when it's above YOUR comfort level.

 

[i-ride]

ah, ok, now i see..(assuming that's what was meant).

Just because ****ing on camera is visual doesnt mean its any worse.

But isn't there a continuum? With, say, 'dropping kids off at daycare' being on the more benign side, and other highly questionable and possibly immoral behaviors on the opposite extreme?? If so, then one thing IS (much!) worse than another.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

ah, ok, now i see..(assuming that's what was meant).
But isn't there a continuum? With, say, 'dropping kids off at daycare' being on the more benign side, and other highly questionable and possibly immoral behaviors on the opposite extreme?? If so, then one thing IS (much!) worse than another.

What defines "extreme"? Your morals? My morals? Someone elses?

[Argumentative-troll] What makes being a part time parent any less offensive to me than DP donkey love? Just because sexuality is taboo in certain realms of society, doesn't mean that I have to just accept dropping the kids off as the norm, and just accept that DP donkey love is unacceptable.[/Argumentative-troll]

 

[BurlyShirley]

ah, ok, now i see..(assuming that's what was meant).
But isn't there a continuum? With, say, 'dropping kids off at daycare' being on the more benign side, and other highly questionable and possibly immoral behaviors on the opposite extreme?? If so, then one thing IS (much!) worse than another.

Depends on the person. That's the whole thing though. I would actually understand if someone decided to **** for money rather than let some stranger raise their child. People have different priorities.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Depends on the person. That's the whole thing though. I would actually understand if someone decided to **** for money rather than let some stranger raise their child. People have different priorities.

So now you're pro stripper? I can't keep this straight....

 

[BurlyShirley]

So now you're pro stripper? I can't keep this straight....

Was I ever anti-stripper? I think in general, most sex trade professionals could be considered failures at life....but who am I? In terms of nature, the more you reproduce and the more offspring you have, the more successful you are. In terms of the US, the more money you have ...., in terms of being Christian, the cleaner slate you have I guess?

 

[i-ride]

[Argumentative-troll] What makes being a part time parent any less offensive to me than DP donkey love? Just because sexuality is taboo in certain realms of society, doesn't mean that I have to just accept dropping the kids off as the norm, and just accept that DP donkey love is unacceptable.[/Argumentative-troll]

I'm with it. Well as you (or Bur Sh?) just noted, it's all up to the individual. Whoever it is..whatever.. ok, in this case, let's say it's YOU. Don't YOU have a continuum upon which behaviors or lifestyles fall.. and by which you rate the severity of an action? If not, then everything must be nominal and concrete: yes/no, black/white, etc/etc. And there are very few things in this world that are so clearly one way or the other-- wouldn't you say?

 

[i-ride]

and for all intents and purposes, strippers and porn stars are separate entities. stripping, by definition, has nothing to do with actual sex.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Was I ever anti-stripper? I think in general, most sex trade professionals could be considered failures at life....but who am I? In terms of nature, the more you reproduce and the more offspring you have, the more successful you are. In terms of the US, the more money you have ...., in terms of being Christian, the cleaner slate you have I guess?

These two posts came to mind...I guess I'm getting a better memory as time passes...not sure how though...

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2069366&postcount=18

http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2069366&postcount=19

And yeah, they were awhile ago...I was just flippin' ya some sh*t.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Like I said, my opinion of strippers isnt necessarily high, but I likehaving them around.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Me either. No clear black and white here, really. 'Ignorance' explains why she and her parents both seem 'fine with it'. 'Ignorance' insofar as they don't appear to be in consideration of longer term psychosocial and/or physical consequences of this behavior/lifestyle... I have tons of thoughts on this.. but only have a second now..so I'll just throw a few Qs out and come back later..

so who ARE we to judge? is it our place as a society to sanction this type of lifestyle/parenting? does this even have any affect on ppl other than those directly involved? .. not only does this girl need better care and guidance- but so do the parents- JDS, you mentioned borderline retarded.. not sure if i would say that exactly, but i tell ya what: there's DEFINITELY a serious mental health and/or personality thing happenin'. America eats its young.

I'll reference your first post in this foray into human behavior...


I think we're getting away from what the original topic was (chick's parents are o.k. with her being a porn star...even encouraging it)... In my world, most things are very black and white. If I don't want to be exposed to something, I don't look. If I don't want my child exposed to something, I make damn sure I did everything I could to block it from them. It's not like she's 14...Conscious adult decisions and all that...I do believe this to be backasswards, but it's not my life. She sells a service, if I don't want it, I ain't gonna pay. Don't care who's rakin' in the moo-la from her exploits.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Like I said, my opinion of strippers isnt necessarily high, but I likehaving them around.

You make me lol. irate2:

 

[i-ride]

...I do believe this to be backasswards, but it's not my life. She sells a service, if I don't want it, I ain't gonna pay. Don't care who's rakin' in the moo-la from her exploits.

not trying to belabor the pt or anything.. but you don't believe things in this world to be systematically related? i don't think it's that easy to just say "whatever, not my cup of tea".. because whether you like it or not, it will effect you, and it will effect your children.. at the very least by way of natural societal evolution (ie, what will your child's world be like if questionable behaviors go unchallenged?). brings to mind that one anti-drug commercial rom the 80s where person1 was using cocaine and person2 was all "enh..ain't my problem- as long as she keeps it to herself" and then person2's child steps onto a schoolbus driven by person1. is there anything to which you wouldn't simply avert your eyes?