Yeah, what's the scoop guys!Threepointtwo said:OK Scott, Krispy it's Monday - Report! Free beer from the Brekenridge Brewery is no excuse.
Yeah, what's the scoop guys!Threepointtwo said:OK Scott, Krispy it's Monday - Report! Free beer from the Brekenridge Brewery is no excuse.
Fixed...mack said:Its getting worse. But mainly its these stupid kids from Connecticut.
The suspention is meant to move backwards and then up so it will more easily 'glide' over rock-gardens instead of just running into the rocks.DH SB RIDER said:why do all the pros think that the yeti is faster over the squere edged rockgardns......is it a good frame for dh trail riding and racing...how heavy is it
if you think using a generic term like "rearward axle path" makes two bikes the same, then you'll be very happy with just about any bikejulian_dh said:this bike dosn't seem to impress me much sure it looks cool and prolly is a great ride, but a 223 has a rearward axle path and is about 4 pounds lighter.
so saying its the best square edge ride is most likely bunk.
Maybe you can interest him in a pre-owned Zedro DH model.zedro said:if you think using a generic term like "rearward axle path" makes two bikes the same, then you'll be very happy with just about any bike
like-new, only minor aluminum flaking....Jeremy R said:Maybe you can interest him in a pre-owned Zedro DH model.
I demand you take your propaganda elsewhere. That kind of **** isn't tolerated 'round these parts.leprechaun said:comprehensive, relevant facts and well-informed opinions based in real riding experience on the actual bike
Dude! The 4x is back and like $1500.00 retail for the frame.Not as cool as the older spendier one but looks almost the same and will ride as well.They have a DJ kit that we'll slap on this for a $2500 or so complete bike.Burly enough for DJ or skatepark stuff.Dogboy said:Awesome write-up Krispy
Can you share any other info about other bikes? Anything new? Are they going to do another run of 4x frames? Any changes on the ASX?
Gracias!
So, what you're really saying here is.... THIS IS THE GREATEST BIKE EVER! I knew it!leprechaun said:but if you're the guy who's sweatin at the top of the course lookin at other peoples bikes and doubting yourself,this is your bike.
Hey if it makes you FEEL faster then it IS faster!!!! :evil:Threepointtwo said:So, what you're really saying here is.... THIS IS THE GREATEST BIKE EVER! I knew it!
I don't have one,just rode one in a small set up for me for a day.konabiker said:Do you have any pics of your 303 built up, Krispy?
I see...leprechaun said:I don't have one,just rode one in a small set up for me for a day.
No pics,but it looked identical to the one on the site right down to the silver Diabolus stem.
Lazy guys, here you go:leprechaun said:I don't have one,just rode one in a small set up for me for a day.
No pics,but it looked identical to the one on the site right down to the silver Diabolus stem.
that does seem extremely long!dw said:Does it really have 19" long chainstays when its sagged? I knew it was long, but damn, thats long! That just doesn't sound right. Gotta be a typo.
dw
The top link and overall suspension geometry have just as much to do with chain growth as where the lower link is. As a matter of fact, there are infinite linkage layouts to achieve any one axle path. 4-bar, 5-bar, crank sliders, counter rotating, etc... it doesn't matter.leprechaun said:HImagine a VPP bike with the lower link that curves around the BB. On those bikes the growth is significant early in the travel causing a noticeable initial growth that you can feel while pedaling over bumps.
I won't try to argue the point about rails being links or not, but in some ways the 303 does feel different than any other bike I have ridden. Yeti claims a lot of chain growth, but it doesn't pedal that way. It seems that with the lower pivot moving nearly perpendicular to the chain line the traditional chain tug is very minimal. The ASX has a lot of chain growth and you can feel it when pedaling. Yeti claims the 303 has the same total chain growth as the ASX, but it has very little feed back at the pedals.dw said:The top link and overall suspension geometry have just as much to do with chain growth as where the lower link is. As a matter of fact, there are infinite linkage layouts to achieve any one axle path. 4-bar, 5-bar, crank sliders, counter rotating, etc... it doesn't matter.
Don't kid yourself into thinking that rails are not links. If it helps you can just think of them as a very long links. The rails are pretty cool and different, that counts for something in my book, but be aware that the same axle path can be achieved with more conventional (shorter) link layouts also.
Just thought you should know.
Dave
Well, as dw said, the lower link/pivot whatever you want to call it is not what is important, it's the overall product of both pivots/rails. The lower pivot moving perpendicular to the chainline does not prevent chaingrowth at all.go-ride.com said:I won't try to argue the point about rails being links or not, but in some ways the 303 does feel different than any other bike I have ridden. Yeti claims a lot of chain growth, but it doesn't pedal that way. It seems that with the lower pivot moving nearly perpendicular to the chain line the traditional chain tug is very minimal. The ASX has a lot of chain growth and you can feel it when pedaling. Yeti claims the 303 has the same total chain growth as the ASX, but it has very little feed back at the pedals.
that sounds familiar! *ahem* dh8/9 *ahem*go-ride.com said:My overall feeling was that the faster you ride the better 303 becomes. It felt a bit slow handling in the heavily rooted, flat, tight woods sections.
That is EXACTLY what I was going to say.dump said:that sounds familiar! *ahem* dh8/9 *ahem*
BUT . . . hmm, didn't get around to finishing that thought, did ya?dw said:The rails are pretty cool and different, that counts for something in my book, but be aware that the same axle path can be achieved with more conventional (shorter) link layouts also.
Dave
Hmmmm, what're you doing Monday, Sept. 26th around 10am? Could be a date. :heart:leprechaun said:Maybe i'll get to ride an 06 Sunday with an Avy or DHX and i can turn my words around!!!!!
Believe me man, the shock issues pained me more than anyone in the World. The shock tunes and hardware that showed up on some of the Sundays was unlike anything I had ever seen or tested before. I personally OK'd the production tunes, then got a production frame and the tune was nothing like the prototype that I had confirmed and had sitting right next to it. Night and day difference.leprechaun said:But none the less all the Horseys we have recieved have had shock/linkage issues that impede the performance.Sorry.Todd Bosch's felt pretty good with the new valving but i only rode it in the lot for 3 minutes. I guess my point is,there are lots of cool VPP type bikes out there but the 303 simply worked.
not to mention the alternative may not be mechanically sound or all that possible within the confines of the overall bike design. Even the DW-Link/Meastro etc seem to push the availability of spaceJames | Go-Ride said:edit: . . . the same axle path can be achieved with more conventional (shorter) link layouts also, but nobody else has mapped the exact same wheelpath as this bike with a linkage system yet, which is half the point of the new design.
Right?
Like I said, there are infinite linkage layouts for any given point path. I will leave it at that. How many people know the actual path curvature anyways? I'd guess not many.James | Go-Ride said:BUT . . . hmm, didn't get around to finishing that thought, did ya?
edit: . . . the same axle path can be achieved with more conventional (shorter) link layouts also, but nobody else has mapped the exact same wheelpath as this bike with a linkage system yet, which is half the point of the new design.
Right?
Just ribbing you a bit, man.dw said:Like I said, there are infinite linkage layouts for any given point path. I will leave it at that. How many people know the actual path curvature anyways? I'd guess not many.
zedro said:not to mention the alternative may not be mechanically sound or all that possible within the confines of the overall bike design. Even the DW-Link/Meastro etc seem to push the availability of space