Who designs a DH bike without considering a chain guide?! Oh yeah, THAT guy...
Just came in...2009 E13 LG1+
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The bike rides/performs extreamly well. I think the suspension design was put before the ISCG tabs.
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Just a bit of info. Sam slapped his guide/chainring/chain square on a rock on the bottom third of the track during qualies. The ring and chain didn't stand a chance and what isn't visible in the pic is that the ring is bent/crack and poking into the guide. It was a lucky hit by a sneaky rock and not the fault of the guide
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But is it not the job/purpose of the taco to protect against such hits?Just a bit of info. Sam slapped his guide/chainring/chain square on a rock on the bottom third of the track during qualies. The ring and chain didn't stand a chance and what isn't visible in the pic is that the ring is bent/crack and poking into the guide. It was a lucky hit by a sneaky rock and not the fault of the guide
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Just asking, not stirring.
Looks like the chainring is bent from a side impact not a direct hit on the bottom where the bash guard is. Now if he was using the other guide with the bash ring he probably wouldn't have had this damage.
Doesn't matter now though, Peaty kicked ass.
just saying
Yeah it is but sometimes the right impact can cause damage big time. As for using the SRS guide and not having this impact damage the drivetrain, Brendan hit the same spot in qualies and destroyed driveside crank/chainring/bashring but was able to pedal through the rest of the run where Sam was not.
Both of the new guides are sweet and can take tons of abuse without breaking....its impressive to see the new guides take even more abuse than the old ones. Well done E13.
Just got mine and need to go out and get it dirty. To add in super easy setup.
Thanks Minion, we're all super pumped on how easy everything is to install. Seeing as we're gearing up for the US Open next week, and all of us wrench on rigs most of the weekend, we're VERY happy that the LG1+ is easier to work on
irate2:I would also recommend putting the backplate into the Narrow position when you get a chance. There also should be a silver steel M5x25mm bolt in the box should you need it for your lower roller and/or you tend to charge rockgardens laughing maniacally.
Cheers,
philip @ e*thirteen
Didn't realise whites came before blacks (bad e13, bad! ) - wondered why everyone was putting white ones on when black will stay looking nice much longer. Got my black one at the weekend, seems to work. No photos cos I'm lazy 
One comment though - the upper-guide "guide" (chainring sizes to show where to put it) is very cunning, but also useless. (Luckily it's also fairly pointless.) To get your crank/chainring on you need to slide the guide to the top of it's adjustment, and then you can't see the numbers when you slide it back down. Something on the back of the guide (like for the pulley) would have made more sense, no?
) - wondered why everyone was putting white ones on when black will stay looking nice much longer. Got my black one at the weekend, seems to work. No photos cos I'm lazy One comment though - the upper-guide "guide" (chainring sizes to show where to put it) is very cunning, but also useless. (Luckily it's also fairly pointless.) To get your crank/chainring on you need to slide the guide to the top of it's adjustment, and then you can't see the numbers when you slide it back down. Something on the back of the guide (like for the pulley) would have made more sense, no?
Cheers for the tip. Will do, though it really doesn't seem that bad. Maybe just camera angle but I'll try it.
Edit: Alright davep and Phil......you win this round
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I've had mine for 2 weeks now!!!
If we put that adjustment on the back then it would be obscured by the frame on most bikes. We tried a few different designs, actually prototyped 2 different versions also, and this one came out the winner. With an e.thirteen guide ring for a chainring, you can see the numbers, but I imagine that there are probably some other rings that you can't. There are also detents, so you can always count the detents, from the top, or just put it in the position where it looks right. It's pretty tough to screw it up.Didn't realise whites came before blacks (bad e13, bad!
The guide works fine on the new Disco, It's not exactly at 11 o-clock, more like 10:30pm. I took some pics this morning before the ride and when I got home my wife took the camera for the evening. I'll get some pics in the next day or so.
Hey, good to hear!
Can you send me some pictures, including a couple with the suspension completely compressed so I can see where the chain is in relation to the top slider?
Hey, is the new LG1+ compatible with 8 speed?
For sure. It was designed around 9 speed chains (same as the previous versions), but it will work fine with 8 speed (same as the previous versions)
Here is one pic.
And that's without any modification to the guide, right? It *COULD* be rotated a little further clockwise, but I've seen worse setups work before for sure. Keep up in the loop on how it works..Here is one pic.
I think you are right. Obviously the chainguide was an afterthought, sorta like heat-treating.
Sorry, just having fun razzing you now. All in good fun.
That's not fair, Karpiels suspension design pre-dates fire.
any updates from those that have been running these for a while? I'm toying with the idea, but to be honest, I'm a little dubious because of all the problems Hill seemed to be having with his. He did his final run in Andorra on the SRS+, and had the SRS+ at the Open.
Granted, I'm no Sam Hill but I'm known to be fairly hard on equipment. I like the LG1+ because of the simplicity factor, and that it seems easier to clean the chainring than the SRS+. But I'm not a racer, and I want something that is durable. Any thoughts from actual users?
also, will these mount to Truvativ Hussefelts?
Thanks,
Sly
Granted, I'm no Sam Hill but I'm known to be fairly hard on equipment. I like the LG1+ because of the simplicity factor, and that it seems easier to clean the chainring than the SRS+. But I'm not a racer, and I want something that is durable. Any thoughts from actual users?
also, will these mount to Truvativ Hussefelts?
Thanks,
Sly
Sam likes to smash things. He will be on an SRS+ until after Maribor at the very least from what I understand.
why is that?
He's not related to Bruce Banner, is he?
Sam Smash!
And he's already got the green from the Monster sponsorship.
Hmmm.... this might be some sort of conspiracy.
I can't speak for the e13 gang, but based on what I've seen from my LG1+ guide, the lower pulley is integrated and the upper one is keyed. i don't think you could set either up properly using the MRP backing plate. There are deals out there on the LG1+, if you can find one in stock, but your best bet sounds like to buy replacement components from MRP. Maybe somebody from E13 has more knowledge.
Hi Omer,
The LG1+ is entirely designed to work ONLY with LG1+ parts. Everything is made to MUCH more precise tolerances than anything else we've done previously to fit JUST right.
DW has put hundreds of hours of design work into the guide to minimize weight and maximize strength.
You would be best contacting the boys (girls?) over in Colorado for replacement parts.
Cheers,
philip @ e*thirteen
P.S. You can lose another 80g or so with a comparable LG1+...and you deal with me if you have any issues (fit, etc).
Check out the Sicklines writeup, it shows many of the tiny details in the new guide: http://www.sicklines.com/2009/04/30/preview-ethirteen-lg1-2009-2010-e13/
Hi Philip,
First, thanks for the invested answer. =)
Second, you think that the pars of the old Lg1 are match to my MRP?
I ask all this questions about e13 parts cause:
1) I didn’t found any MRP Parts.
2) The E13 parts are much nicer.
And in regard to the deal you say to me, send to me more details and I will see.
Thanks a lot,
Omer
First, thanks for the invested answer. =)
Second, you think that the pars of the old Lg1 are match to my MRP?
I ask all this questions about e13 parts cause:
1) I didn’t found any MRP Parts.
2) The E13 parts are much nicer.
And in regard to the deal you say to me, send to me more details and I will see.
Thanks a lot,
Omer