Whether it is 2% or 2.6% doesn't make your argument correct is what I meant.BurlyShirley said:
Necrophilia is Natural
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Some men and women are simply unable to reproduce as well.fluff said:
Correct. But there is the argument that these acts promote a stronger hetero mating ritual and therefore promote impregnation. The same cannot be said of homos.fluff said:
These are also exceptions or "minorities"Old Man G Funk said:
And there's a difference. Pedophilia is defined as a mental disease, not a born trait. Retardation is also a born trait, but it's apples and oranges compared to homosexuality.BurlyShirley said:
Well, you don't object to two hetero people who can not physically reproduce, and you don't call it a crime, so why do you object homosexual behavior and call it a crime?BurlyShirley said:
Also, I'm still wondering whether you have a problem with lesbians?
These "definitions" are influenced politically and therefore are not relevant. Make no mistake. A homosexual and a pedophile are both trying to mate with an incapable partner.Old Man G Funk said:
Retardation is a born trait as you said homosexuality was a few posts ago.
That would be a pretty weak argument. The majority of hetero couples alive today are probably unable to conceive.BurlyShirley said:
Again. Learn to read. Both of these points have been adressed directly.Old Man G Funk said:
There is a huge difference between being unable to repoduce and unable/unwilling to give consent. And you're not that dumb that you cannot see that.BurlyShirley said:
How is that?fluff said:
If a couple makes a concsious decision to control impregnation, it does not affect their biological instinct to do so.
The initial attraction is the key fluff. Pedophiles "love" their incapable partners just as gays do. This is why I referred to it as "victimless" earlier.fluff said:
After the menopause conscious decisions are not part of the process...BurlyShirley said:
The urge to mate continues after menopause. Biologically you're incapable just as someone who is sterile from birth, but the urge is still there.fluff said:
The difference is that the law is there to protect people too young as to be able to make rational decisions. Once people are of a certain age they can give their consent with knowledge of what it entails.BurlyShirley said:
It's not even close to the same thing.
And gay people have an urge too, so your argument is groundless.BurlyShirley said:
In terms of law and morality you are correct. In terms of biology they are quite similar. You cannot deny that.fluff said:
You're missing the point. They have a misdirected urge. A flaw if you will in to what direction their urge pushes them.fluff said:
EDIT: To expound.
Both have the same % of a chance of reproducing...which is what mating is designed for.
If a gene is found that makes a person a homosexual, and we can identify factors that make pedophilia a mental disease, then there is no political influence in the definitions. That's like saying evolution is politically defined to be science.BurlyShirley said:
The problem with your retardation example is that the person is incapable of performing the job. That doesn't mean the person is being discriminated against. However, not giving a pilot's license to someone just because he prefers men is discrimination.
Do you only have sex to reproduce?BurlyShirley said:
Not to my satisfaction.BurlyShirley said:
You called it a crime, then compared it to pedophilia and necrophilia. Both of those comparisons are found wanting, since both of the examples are mental diseases, not born traits.
Also, you said you have no problem with anyone getting it on, but by calling it a crime, it seems you do. You've also made references that specifically mentioned gay men, but not women. Do you, or do you not have the same problem with gay men that you do with gay women?
Eh, for example an adult male and a 13 year girl the same as two adult males? What planet are you on?BurlyShirley said:
Rubbish.BurlyShirley said:
A drunken Hungarian maths professor with a penchant for regular, six-sided, polyhedra?Old Man G Funk said:
Fixed. Thanks.fluff said:
Why misdirected? They are doing what comes natural. Hey, quit being the color that you are, it's misdirected.BurlyShirley said:
Don't mentoin it.Old Man G Funk said:
There is proof of evolution.Old Man G Funk said:
There is no proof of a gay gene (I do believe people are born that way in most cases, however) and there is no proof seperating it from pedophilia (which I also believe most people are born with)
You really can comprehend simple sh!t, can you? You said we dont discriminate, I said we do and gave examples. The example proves that we do, in fact, discriminate. You havent disproven that. You've just added that example to another part of a debate which isnt anywhere near where I put it. Please try to keep up.
Its misdirected in that its not achieving its intended purpose. You really must have a simple mind.Old Man G Funk said:
Perhaps this is the only way OMGF can get some..???
Again. This has been adressed, directly. Each question. Please learn to read.Old Man G Funk said:
They are enjoying it which is their intended purpose.BurlyShirley said:
What exactly is it that makes you think that sex is only about reproduction?
In exactly the same way that the is no proof separating pedophilia from heterosexual sex. Or from theft... What are you trying to say, there is no logic to your argument.BurlyShirley said:
Exactly.BurlyShirley said:
The latest scientific findings are that people are born gay, but not born as pedophiles. That's why pedophilia is listed as a mental disease.
Personal attacks aside, you can equivocate on the definition of discrimination, but it makes your argument weak.
Sex IS about reproduction. That is it. That it helps "BONDING" is only to enforce more reproduction. this is biology 101fluff said:
Which purpose, procreation? Well, considering that has been answered (in that many people can not procreate) your argument here sucks too.BurlyShirley said:
Tell that to your next hooker, maybe she'll give you a discount if you bond well.BurlyShirley said:
How does a one night stand fit in with your life vision?
No, it has not. What exactly about homosexuality constitutes a crime?BurlyShirley said:
Do you or do you not have a difference of opinion when it comes to homosexual men vs. women?
You make absolutely no sense. Why is it that you think people cannot be born without mental diseases? You simply dont have the slightest understanding of this topoc.Old Man G Funk said:
Again, you're so far off base its not even worth arguing over.
This little side argument you're attempting to start isnt worth the time. I wont post it again, so you may as well quit asking.Old Man G Funk said: