Never owned one, never saw a problem with my SRS. Then again that held my chain on AND protected the teeth on my chainring.Held your damn chain on didn't it?
Came with holes to to put your own taco on didn't it?
Never owned one, never saw a problem with my SRS. Then again that held my chain on AND protected the teeth on my chainring.Held your damn chain on didn't it?
Came with holes to to put your own taco on didn't it?
Never owned one, never saw a problem with my SRS. Then again that held my chain on AND protected the teeth on my chainring.
The LG1 "sucked" until people started making tacos
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So you guys sat around and mocked your customers?Hardly. We were entertaining ourselves by guessing what all the complaints would be. or, more to the point, we were making fun of all the know-it-alls and keyboard product testers on the internet.
good to see they haven't let us down.
when did i start working for e13? last i checked (this morning) i was a teacher.So you guys sat around and mocked your customers?
And now your posting that fact... :huh:
no fvcking sh~t. Someone post the fvcking thing.i heard they were 17mm thin (not thick). No, that's a lie i read it on the banner with the exploded diagram and all the specs. speaking of the banner why hasn't someone posted that yet, it should be good for at least another 4 pages of useless e-speculation.:biggrin:
e.13 boxxer stems sucked arse. I've seen two break and seriously - who breaks a stem? Plus the finish was woefull.But more to the point.....
When has e.13 ever put out something that sucks? I don't mean isn't the best, I mean SUCKS......
True, but still, who the hell breaks a stem? It's... a stem. Integrated stems are more prone to causing or being damaged in the first place (since they can't slip like a conventional one), but still I haven't seen any Funn or Sunline or anything else integrated stems die before the parts they're attached to (bars and forks).usually products are designed to be ridden not crashed.....
http://usopenmtb.com/how'd they break? usually products are designed to be ridden not crashed.....
One guy hit the end of his bar on a tree so yeah probably fair call there. But the other guy snapped one side of the stem landing a drop into braking bumps.how'd they break? usually products are designed to be ridden not crashed.....
I've seen plenty of people with LG1s (no taco) come down the hill with bent/snapped chainrings.....after seeing that I didn't feel it was necessary to run one myself and find out.oster_oops:
FYI Toodles, there has NEVER been an e.thirteen stem broken that I have seen. I called the e.thirteen office just now, and personally asked Jonas and Michael to verify that. It has not happened, or at least nobody has sent us any evidence that it has. Feel free to send anything you have directly to e.thirteen. As you know we love to support our customers.One guy hit the end of his bar on a tree so yeah probably fair call there. But the other guy snapped one side of the stem landing a drop into braking bumps.
Stems shouldn't break anyway. I can't remember the last time I've seen another stem break.
Hey Joe,BUT routine greasing is what prolongs the wear of the bushings......hence why they should have a grease port on the body of the pedal into the spindle housing, and why I'm asking (can't see one in the pics). If not, you would have to remove the spindle assy to lube the bushings......something I wouldn't want to do after every ride.
Hopefully DW or one of the e13 guys can chime in.
To dogboy - every pedal I have taken apart has used bearings. Haven't had to rip a pedal apart in 3-4 years......but last I did they all used sealed and shielded ball bearings. How do all these bushing equipped pedals hold up as far as play/free spin?
We use a lot of IGUS stuff at my work as well.....the thing I'm curious about is how well it handles both rotational loads (pedaling) and unidirectional loading (landing a drop for example) over a long(er) period of time, hence my asking about how you went about using them. Also, how well will these pedals isolate the spindle assy from contamination? That has a big role in how well bushings/bearings hold up and perform. Whenever I took pedals apart, I was amazed at how crapily they were sealed (even "sealed" pedals).Hey Joe,
I read that you are an engineer. As such, I'm sure you are aware of the fine line of products available from IGUS. They make some of the world's best bushings. They have bushings designed to work with or without lubrication. You can read about them at www.igus.com. When I worked for the department of defense we used IGUS bushings for a great deal of tactical equipment. Suffice to say, if they are reliable enough to protect our troops in battle, I think that they are going to be plenty reliable enough for your bicycle pedal. You just need an engineer with a clue on how to design with them to make them work. I happen to be that guy.
Thanks for all the support
Dave
I sized each bushing specifically for the load, service factor, and obviously the environment. There are 3 bushings, two of which are custom designed by us, and manufactured by IGUS specifically for our application. There is only one opening for dirt to get into the pedal, where the spindle comes into the body near the spindle threads. As you have probably seen, many pedals use either no sealing at all, or a poorly designed o-ring or V-ring seal. All are pretty much useless in my opinion. I happen to have some experience in this area, so I designed and sourced a custom exclusion type seal (like a CR-HMS type). It was expensive and difficult, but they are incredibly effective. We have the option of running 2 in tandem, but so far one is able to keep water from a pressure washer out. We'll learn more as we test, but this design has been tested for a long time now so we are really confident in it. More to come in that interview I was talking about. It should be up in a day or two I guess.We use a lot of IGUS stuff at my work as well.....the thing I'm curious about is how well it handles both rotational loads (pedaling) and unidirectional loading (landing a drop for example) over a long(er) period of time, hence my asking about how you went about using them. Also, how well will these pedals isolate the spindle assy from contamination? That has a big role in how well bushings/bearings hold up and perform. Whenever I took pedals apart, I was amazed at how crapily they were sealed (even "sealed" pedals).
I'm sure you know what you're doing (obviously), I'm just a bit annoyed at how the focus of this thread has been more about what color plates you can get or how hard it will be to clean, rather than how the actual guts of the pedal were designed. Sadly it made me come across as an asshole.
I sized each bushing specifically for the load, service factor, and obviously the environment. There are 3 bushings, two of which are custom designed by us, and manufactured by IGUS specifically for our application. There is only one opening for dirt to get into the pedal, where the spindle comes into the body near the spindle threads. As you have probably seen, many pedals use either no sealing at all, or a poorly designed o-ring or V-ring seal. All are pretty much useless in my opinion. I happen to have some experience in this area, so I designed and sourced a custom exclusion type seal (like a CR-HMS type). It was expensive and difficult, but they are incredibly effective. We have the option of running 2 in tandem, but so far one is able to keep water from a pressure washer out. We'll learn more as we test, but this design has been tested for a long time now so we are really confident in it. More to come in that interview I was talking about. It should be up in a day or two I guess.
Dave
Get Sammy to ride them and I'm in...... even if I have to sell my bicycle to afford them.
oops. so you're saying m6 (stem to crown) ti bolts are dodgy in this app? i held off on replacing the wee m5 bar clamp bolts, but thought the stem to crown guys would be burly enough. am i endangering myself? been running them for a couple years so far...I saw a kid at the US Open who for some insane reason decided to use ti bolts to hold on his stem and broke them off when he crashed, but e.thirteen can't control that, this was his decision to buy and use them, and one that we never would have supported.
Titanium bolts are notch sensitive, so I only use them in noncritical applications. Anywhere where your safety is directly at risk in the event of a failure is what I deem "critical". In those applications I only use and spec high tensile steel bolts with rolled threads. Of course, people do and use all kinds of stupid and expensive things in the name of less weight, its just a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.. I don't like to lose.oops. so you're saying m6 (stem to crown) ti bolts are dodgy in this app? i held off on replacing the wee m5 bar clamp bolts, but thought the stem to crown guys would be burly enough. am i endangering myself? been running them for a couple years so far...
Sure, the platform is 109X99. The outside of the axle is 17mm in diameter, the body is 14mm thick at its thinnest, and about 19.5 at its thickest. The dimensions are still being fine tuned based on pro rider feedback.can you give us dimensions of the pedal?
I think that you should just try them for yourself. If they work for you then you will know it.Get Sammy to ride them and I'm in...... even if I have to sell my bicycle to afford them.
I don't have anything exact, but they will DEFINITELY be competitive with other products on the market. We are not planning that the 8's will be a boutique level product.What's the pricepoint yo?
Even if it's just a ballpark......
but the ti bolts are shiny!Titanium bolts are notch sensitive, so I only use them in noncritical applications. Anywhere where your safety is directly at risk in the event of a failure is what I deem "critical". In those applications I only use and spec high tensile steel bolts with rolled threads. Of course, people do and use all kinds of stupid and expensive things in the name of less weight, its just a gamble. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.. I don't like to lose.
Dave
They sure look boutiqueI don't have anything exact, but they will DEFINITELY be competitive with other products on the market. We are not planning that the 8's will be a boutique level product.
Dave
clear. clear is so hot right now. i will buy them if they come in clear. i'm almost contemplating trying these (for dry weather only):Plus they come in white. What's better than that?