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Texas Art Teacher Loses Job After Topless Photos Surface

MudGrrl

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Andyman_1970 said:
Whether or not it's moral or not, did it violate her contract with her employer?
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The school district's policies regarding employee behavior include a moral turpitude clause that prohibits "base, vile, or depraved acts that are intended to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of the actor."
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ok, whose definition of vile are we going by?
Whose definition of moral are we going by?
Who decides what?

And ... why isn't Gayle Andrews being fired? She's the teacher who opened the site IN FRONT OF students in a classroom

We've got some serious double standards going on here.

There are better ways to spend tons of money than to pay settlements to teachers that you have wrongfully terminated.



And..Why is Burley afeered of boobies?:clue:
 

DirtyDog

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I really don't have problems with the nudity thing, but what about some of her other stuff? Blood and gore? Dead cats?
 

Old Man G Funk

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Certainly, if they are going to charge that Hoover was engaging in pornography, then Andrews should be in trouble for asking students to pull up the images in class. Also, Andrews' petty criticisms of her colleague should not be classroom fodder.
 

DirtyDog

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Old Man G Funk said:
Not hers. That is the photographer's. The photographer is not the same person as the teacher.

Ohhhhh I get it.

Why is it that we can saturate our society with violence and violent themes and it's just fine, but a little bit of nudity gets the righty all tighty?
 

Ridemonkey

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Give me a break...I sure hope they don't study the Renaissance, it's just riddled with boobies, and peepees, it'll pervert the children! That Da Vinci guy must have been a real sicko - probably lived in his parent's basement. :rolleyes:
 

DirtyDog

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Ridemonkey said:
Scandalous!

That painting would be more appropriate if they were clothed but getting shot at close range in the heads.
 

Old Man G Funk

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Andyman_1970 said:
Wouldn't that be the employer?
Actually, the court will have to decide. That's the nature of contracts. When there is a dispute, the court decides. Part of the problem, however, is that the contract is not well written if that is all it says. It does not specifically state what is considered vile, immoral, etc. nor does it state whose guidelines to go on. Good contracts don't invoke subjective clauses like that because they are open to interpretation, and interpretation leads to legal action.

Of course, it shouldn't come to that. The school board should pull their heads out and realize that they are being stupid.
 

Ridemonkey

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I think they'll have a tough time convincing a judge that artistic nudity is immoral when they're paying her to teach curriculum which undoubtly contains artwork containing nudity. I tad hypocritical I feel.

Old Man G Funk said:
Actually, the court will have to decide. That's the nature of contracts. When there is a dispute, the court decides. Part of the problem, however, is that the contract is not well written if that is all it says. It does not specifically state what is considered vile, immoral, etc. nor does it state whose guidelines to go on. Good contracts don't invoke subjective clauses like that because they are open to interpretation, and interpretation leads to legal action.

Of course, it shouldn't come to that. The school board should pull their heads out and realize that they are being stupid.
 

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Ridemonkey said:
No kidding. The human body is discusting and should be hidden at all times.
Certain bodies should be hidden away for sure.

You and BeerDemon bring up a good point. We need to burn all that art so our society doesn't get any more imoral. :clue:

Also why is it that in countries whit topless beaches everyone seems happier, and they usually have lower divorce rates? Boobies must me wrong in so way shap or form.
 

fluff

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maxyedor said:
Boobies must me wrong in so way shap or form.
I might agree with you but I have no idea what you're saying...

Why is that people get so bent out of shape about breasts? On average there's nearly one apiece, we all sucked on them at one time and we nearly all play with them later in life.
 

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fluff said:
I might agree with you but I have no idea what you're saying...

Why is that people get so bent out of shape about breasts? On average there's nearly one apiece, we all sucked on them at one time and we nearly all play with them later in life.
Because the Bible tells us sex is wrong, but violence is OK, and even encouraged in many cases?
 

BurlyShirley

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You guys probably think it'd be fine for the teachers just to come to school topless too, right?
 

fluff

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BurlyShirley said:
You guys probably think it'd be fine for the teachers just to come to school topless too, right?
Nope. I do think that a teacher who teaches art, which has a vast amount of nudity involved, should not be sacked for posing topless for art purposes.

Coming to school topless has nothing to do with art and I would have no issue with sacking.
 

BurlyShirley

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fluff said:
Nope. I do think that a teacher who teaches art, which has a vast amount of nudity involved, should not be sacked for posing topless for art purposes.

Coming to school topless has nothing to do with art and I would have no issue with sacking.

I can see the point you guys are trying to make, but it just doesnt work w/ kids. Im not saying she should be fired, but I know damn well if I had even a moderately attractive art teacher, and I found pics of her tatas on the net, you bet your ass Id be printing them off, sending the link around, starting at them in class, etc... Thats what kids do. As a teacher, she should recognize that, and act accordingly.
 

fluff

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BurlyShirley said:
I can see the point you guys are trying to make, but it just doesnt work w/ kids. Im not saying she should be fired, but I know damn well if I had even a moderately attractive art teacher, and I found pics of her tatas on the net, you bet your ass Id be printing them off, sending the link around, starting at them in class, etc... Thats what kids do. As a teacher, she should recognize that, and act accordingly.
Shieeit bro, if she's hawt I'd be staring at her tits anyway (as a kid) and if not I'd be staring at the pictures of other hawt chix tits that were being passed around. Makes no difference as far as ah can see.
 

BurlyShirley

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fluff said:
Shieeit bro, if she's hawt I'd be staring at her tits anyway (as a kid) and if not I'd be staring at the pictures of other hawt chix tits that were being passed around. Makes no difference as far as ah can see.
Im just saying that if pics of one of the teachers tats are being passed around the school, it sort of undermines that whole role model thing.
 

fluff

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BurlyShirley said:
Im just saying that if pics of one of the teachers tats are being passed around the school, it sort of undermines that whole role model thing.
I see your point and if it were the head of school I'd be with you, but art teachers are supposed to be flakey, no?
 

BurlyShirley

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fluff said:
I see your point and if it were the head of school I'd be with you, but art teachers are supposed to be flakey, no?
All mine were uptight old b!tches who didnt like my paintings of chainsaws or clubbed seals.
 

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fluff said:
Shieeit bro, if she's hawt I'd be staring at her tits anyway (as a kid) and if not I'd be staring at the pictures of other hawt chix tits that were being passed around. Makes no difference as far as ah can see.
Why "as a kid"? If the chick is hot and has nice tatas, I'm staring at them...at least until she gets offended and has that restraining order against me...
 

Old Man G Funk

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BurlyShirley said:
Im just saying that if pics of one of the teachers tats are being passed around the school, it sort of undermines that whole role model thing.
Or, it could present another learning experience. Should we make lemons into lemonade or let them rot?
 

BurlyShirley

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So what about if a gay transgendered teacher posts "artsy" pictures of himself, naked?
 

Serial Midget

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As a society we take nudity far to seriously... I don't see anything wrong with the photos. Still, its a good way to teach your children to be ashamed of their bodies... if that's what you're into.
 

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Serial Midget said:
As a society we take nudity far to seriously... I don't see anything wrong with the photos. Still, its a good way to teach your children to be ashamed of their bodies... if that's what you're into.
I must be internets illiterate because try as I might, I can't seem to find the topless photos, but everyone else seems to be able to.
 

fluff

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Old Man G Funk said:
Why "as a kid"? If the chick is hot and has nice tatas, I'm staring at them...at least until she gets offended and has that restraining order against me...
I have greater control, consideration, style and class as an adult. Plus I've seen enough titties not to get overly excited in everyday situations....:)