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Thoughts on 9/11

Dirt rider

Dirt rider

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The only thing I can really say is that at least one good thing came out of 9/11.

it really taught people (particulary children) Who true heros are Firemen/Police and Paramedics.

kids and people stopped for a shortwhile at least Worshiping dumb celebritys on TV spewing comercialized crap and got behind the firemen the medics and police

So on this 5th anniversiry think about how hard of a day it was for the fire,police and ambulane crews. insted of getting all bent out of shape over bin ladin.

Bin laden will at best die hiding in a cave and nobody will care or remeber him after awile.
 
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Dirt rider said:
kids and people stopped for a shortwhile at least Worshiping dumb celebritys on TV spewing comercialized crap and got behind the firemen the medics and police
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So instead, now they spew nationalist-commercialist crap covered in American flags.

HOORAY!

Idiocy rocks.
 
Dirt rider

Dirt rider

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Silver said:
You're kidding, right? Or stupid?
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"AT BEST!!!" thats a best case senerio for him.

yes he might die a horrable death blown to bits by bomb.missle or bullet. and ok your right
people will remeber him for 9/11 but thats it.

The point I was getting at is: why spend this day all pissed off about terrorists, and giving them the power to contol your lives with fear. when 5 years ago 343 (I think thats the right number correct me if Im wrong) firemen lost their lives saving others.

Remeber the Heros! not the evil.
 
Echo

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N8 said:
You really should live elsewhere for a while....
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Actually, you're the one who should take the time to travel outside the US once in a while... this place sucks compared to MANY other countries I've travelled to. Yeah it's better than some, but the trend is not moving in a good direction.
 
$tinkle

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Echo said:
Actually, you're the one who should take the time to travel outside the US once in a while... this place sucks compared to MANY other countries I've travelled to. Yeah it's better than some, but the trend is not moving in a good direction.
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any recommendations? also, do we smell like foreigners when we go overseas?
 
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Every country has its pluses and minuses, but i think echo is right, the trend here sucks and its getting worst. and as for 9/11 i don't know anymore about that whole thing, yeah i feel for all the people that died there, but what to believe as to what really happened we will probably never know....
 
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MMike said:
You smell like french fries
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that's about right.
T23 said:
but what to believe as to what really happened we will probably never know....
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if you mean we won't know every sordid detail, i'll agree; if you mean we won't know enough, that's our responsibility. willful ignorance of the facts simply won't do.
 
JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
Lighten up on Dirt Rider, he tried to get everyone to think about the victims of the attacks, not start some kind of Toby Keith love fest.

It has been 5 years, and I think we all have looked at things differently since then. I have looked at every side of this mess, and personally, I have forgiven, but will never forget. And no, I dont think our government is telling us the whole story. And yes, I think there is plenty of blame to be spread around.
But I will not profane the memory of the innocent men, women and children who died, along with the sacrifices of the police and firefighters who threw themselves into the Trade Centers without hesitation.
Forgive, but never forget...
 
sunny

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JohnE said:
Lighten up on Dirt Rider, he tried to get everyone to think about the victims of the attacks, not start some kind of Toby Keith love fest.

It has been 5 years, and I think we all have looked at things differently since then. I have looked at every side of this mess, and personally, I have forgiven, but will never forget. And no, I dont think our government is telling us the whole story. And yes, I think there is plenty of blame to be spread around.
But I will not profane the memory of the innocent men, women and children who died, along with the sacrifices of the police and firefighters who threw themselves into the Trade Centers without hesitation.
Forgive, but never forget...
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How can you forgive someone who does not want to be forgiven? Who does not ask for forgiveness? Is it even possible to give forgiveness without having been petitioned for it, or at least KNOWING that it is desired?

No forgiveness without commensurate restitution and penance. Otherwise, I do not see the point.
 
N8 v2.0

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Echo said:
Actually, you're the one who should take the time to travel outside the US once in a while... this place sucks compared to MANY other countries I've travelled to. Yeah it's better than some, but the trend is not moving in a good direction.
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Lived outside the US for several years... and while someplaces were fun for a while, I was always damn glad to get back here everytime.
 
$tinkle

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valve bouncer said:
Based on experience/anecdotal evidence.
Hong Kong
Singapore
Malaysia
UAE
Qatar ($ only)
Argentina
Chile
Malta
South Africa
Botswana
Namibia
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hong kong & singapore? what's that: 40 km^2; not much to see after a couple months.

south frikkin africa? you'd have to be dumb as a bag of hammers to live there. there are 8 paragraphs depicting its criminal element alone from the state dept's advisory page also, it has the highest incident of reported rape in the world. (unless you count the raping of countries, & we have that hands down). only a bug-catcher would want to live in SA. they talk funny & smell like chum (at least in the coastal areas).

my neighbor went to burkina faso this summer; i'd go just to say i've been to ouagadougou.

another very dear friend just moved to kenya 2 mos ago to do aids work, and he says this is the most stable african country & very westernized in urban areas. but still, it is AFRICA

why didn't any northern european countries make your short list? it's beautiful most any time of year & is rather bike friendly.
 
valve bouncer

valve bouncer

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$tinkle said:
hong kong & singapore? what's that: 40 km^2; not much to see after a couple months.

south frikkin africa? you'd have to be dumb as a bag of hammers to live there. there are 8 paragraphs depicting its criminal element alone from the state dept's advisory page also, it has the highest incident of reported rape in the world. (unless you count the raping of countries, & we have that hands down). only a bug-catcher would want to live in SA. they talk funny & smell like chum (at least in the coastal areas).

my neighbor went to burkina faso this summer; i'd go just to say i've been to ouagadougou.

another very dear friend just moved to kenya 2 mos ago to do aids work, and he says this is the most stable african country & very westernized in urban areas. but still, it is AFRICA

why didn't any northern european countries make your short list? it's beautiful most any time of year & is rather bike friendly.
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I was basing my list on what i thought would be interesting/unusual/exciting. HK/Sing are small but you'd use it as base for exploring a wider area. Both airports are major hubs so fly to plenty of exotoc locales in the 2-3 hour range. This si of course assuming you'd be on the full expat package or at least a decent local wage.

I was hesitating about SA because of the crime though I understand the situation is much improved in recent times. If you're white, with coin and pick your spot you'll like it. Plenty of other places in Africa that'll be good if you have money. 10 years ago I wouldn't have hesitated to pick Zimbabwe but it has imploded now.

Basically any of the OECD countries would be fine, was just thinking outside of the usual places.
 
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stevew said:
It just made me want to strangle Tommy Lee Jones.

But Mexico is cool.
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I normally detest him, but I thought he wasn't terrible in that movie...but Mexico was beautiful in it. I contemplated packing up and moving to a little village with a ****ty bar for about an hour afterwards.
 
JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
Yeah, miltary time doesnt count. Despite the fact that some people live off base, shop on the local economy, pay local taxes, send their kids to local schools, the kids learn to speak the local language fluently, play sports on the local teams, have babies in the local hospitals, make lifelong friends with local residents, discuss politics in both the local area and the world and generally try to assimilate into the area. No, it doesnt count.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :banghead: :banghead:
 
MMike

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JohnE said:
Yeah, miltary time doesnt count. Despite the fact that some people live off base, shop on the local economy, pay local taxes, send their kids to local schools, the kids learn to speak the local language fluently, play sports on the local teams, have babies in the local hospitals, make lifelong friends with local residents, discuss politics in both the local area and the world and generally try to assimilate into the area. No, it doesnt count.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :banghead: :banghead:
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So we're agreed then.
 
valve bouncer

valve bouncer

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JohnE said:
Yeah, miltary time doesnt count. Despite the fact that some people live off base, shop on the local economy, pay local taxes, send their kids to local schools, the kids learn to speak the local language fluently, play sports on the local teams, have babies in the local hospitals, make lifelong friends with local residents, discuss politics in both the local area and the world and generally try to assimilate into the area. No, it doesnt count.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :banghead: :banghead:
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I've yet to meet one military member here in Japan that has assimilated into the community. I can't say I've even met one member who can even speak rudimentary Japanese. The bases are purposely designed so that you don't have to interact with the local community if you don't want to. The people like you and Party's missus are the exceptions in my book, certainly in Japan anyway. Manimal was in Okinawa I believe, how much interaction did he have? How much Japanese did he learn? (genuine question Manimal btw)
 
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