Take a look at this...
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/17552/Engineer_s_Remarkable_WTC_Collapse_Simulations
Pretty good stuff.
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/17552/Engineer_s_Remarkable_WTC_Collapse_Simulations
Pretty good stuff.
so what are your credentials to determine that this is "roobish".....SDH said:BTW
Mechanical engineer does not equal STRUCTURAL engineer
Degree in Civil EngineeringMMike said:so what are your credentials to determine that this is "roobish".....
SDH said:Degree in Civil Engineering
Concentration: Structural
15 years in the Commercial Construction
Ok, so you have established your credentials. What's your take on the whole thing?SDH said:Degree in Civil Engineering
Concentration: Structural
15 years in the Commercial Construction
1) maniac flys plane at open throttleRenegadeRick said:Ok, so you have established your credentials. What's your take on the whole thing?
MMike said:...and a lot of people don't realize that a puddle of jet fuel on the ground does not burn at the same temperature as atomized fuel spray with carefully metered air/fuel mixtures inside a gas generator...
Right. Jet fuel could have caused the collapse by weakening the steel. But it could not have produced molten steel which was found in the basement of all three buildings.jonKranked said:some people have been throwing around claims that it was planned b/c the fires from the subsequent fuel explosions are not hot enough to melt steel (i think its around 1400*). This is true. However, what many of these conspiracy theorists (and others) fail to realize is that steel loses 50% of its strength around 600, 650 degrees, which, in reality would be enough of a material degradation to allow the collapse. Oh and those temperatures can easily be reached by burning jet fuel too. (the number's are only ball park, @ work and don't have the time to look the exact ones up).
Not sure by how much, but likely WAY less hot than inside the engine.jonKranked said:really? wow? who'da thunkit. what about a jet engine operating @ 100% that suddenly explodes? how hot do those get?
last time i checked the pentagon didn't endure anywhere CLOSE to the amount fires/explosions/burning jet fuel as the other 2 buildings. :teacher:RenegadeRick said:molten steel which was found in the basement of all three buildings.
So that's what they meant at church last week when they said, "with Jesus, all things are possible."stevew said:Jesus.
I meant the 3 buildings in NY, WTC 1, 2, and 7.jonKranked said:last time i checked the pentagon didn't endure anywhere CLOSE to the amount fires/explosions/burning jet fuel as the other 2 buildings. :teacher:
clarify from the get go next time.RenegadeRick said:I meant the 3 buildings in NY, WTC 1, 2, and 7.
You know, the one that wasn't hit by a plane...
oops. my bad. but really...jonKranked said:clarify from the get go next time.
Allah?RenegadeRick said:oops. my bad. but really...
Anyone got a better answer for the molten steel... better than Jesus?
Ok, please allow me to clarify again...Old Man G Funk said:Allah?
RenegadeRick said:Ok, please allow me to clarify again...
An answer to how molten steel was found in WTC 1, 2, and 7... based on SCIENCE?
Please specify this "outside source" that caused the steel to melt.jonKranked said:the molecular system of the steel gained enough energy from an outside source to weaken the bonds of the atoms, allowing them to move more freely - thus converting it from its solid phase to a liquid phase.
edit i didn't answer the proper question. i answered how the steel melted, not how it was found. there were people looking through the rubble "oh hey molten steel"
Dude, there are a skat load of facts that show 9/11 is staged. But just looking at WTC; take the different statements for example Silverstein (I think it's the guy who owned buildings 1&2&7) who claimed on tape that "we decided to pull the building" (~), but that NIST came up with a totaly different explanation:jonKranked said:some people have been throwing around claims that it was planned b/c the fires from the subsequent fuel explosions are not hot enough to melt steel (i think its around 1400*). This is true. However, what many of these conspiracy theorists (and others) fail to realize is that steel loses 50% of its strength around 600, 650 degrees, which, in reality would be enough of a material degradation to allow the collapse. Oh and those temperatures can easily be reached by burning jet fuel too. (the number's are only ball park, @ work and don't have the time to look the exact ones up).
We all agree that jet fuel could not melt steel, so again I ask, what "outside source" caused the molten steel?jonKranked said:fact is there's not enough evidence to convince me it was staged. however there IS enough to make me question whether or not the story presented by the media and the gov't was/is accurate.
Meaning there was no commercial plane that hit the Pentagon. I saw a book that layed on a chair half a metre from where the building collapsed, zoomed in, and it wasn't burnt at all...jonKranked said:last time i checked the pentagon didn't endure anywhere CLOSE to the amount fires/explosions/burning jet fuel as the other 2 buildings. :teacher:
Exactly, fuel don't do that to them metal pylons.jonKranked said:there were people looking through the rubble "oh hey molten steel"
YUP, but very entertaining!Westy said:I think some people are wearing their tinfoil hats a little too tight.
Carry a 9 volt battery and some steel wool in your pocket.SDH said:YUP, but very entertaining!
Also to answer that dudes question about molten steel, or what melts steel, heat, time and pressure. Also keep in mind in those basements had waste lines (flamable) and gas lines. The confined spaces of the basements basically turned those basements into furnaces. Getting hotter and hotter b/c no where for the heat to go (disipate)
But have you really seen all the facts that are out there presented in different documentaries and books?jonKranked said:hey rockwool you probably believe that the moon landings were done in a hollywood studio dont you?
fact is there's not enough evidence to convince me it was staged. however there IS enough to make me question whether or not the story presented by the media and the gov't was/is accurate. also i wouldn't put it past bush and his cronies to do that.
Man, be serious, you couldn't reach around and hug those steel pylons unless you was an orangutang.SDH said:YUP, but very entertaining!
Also to answer that dudes question about molten steel, or what melts steel, heat, time and pressure. Also keep in mind in those basements had waste lines (flamable) and gas lines. The confined spaces of the basements basically turned those basements into furnaces. Getting hotter and hotter b/c no where for the heat to go (disipate)