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Ok, it's official now. From USAcycling.org...


Elite Men’s Downhill
1. Cole Bangert (Twin Lakes, Colo.)
2. Duncan Riffle (Santa Barbara, Calif.)
3. Luke Strobel (Renton, Wash.)
4. Gerritt Beytagh (Fletcher, N.C.)
5. T.J. Sharp (Boulder, Colo.)
6. Chris Van Dine (Salt Lake City, Utah)
7. Christopher Herndon (Etowah, N.C.)

Elite Women’s Downhill
1. Kathy Pruitt (Lake Almanor, Calif.)
2. Melissa Buhl (Chandler, Ariz.)
3. Lisa Myklak (Boulder, Colo.)
4. Amelia Colosurdo (Seattle, Wash.)
5. Darian Harvey (Durango, Colo.)

Junior Men’s Downhill
1. JD Swanguen (San Diego, Calif.)
2. Logan Binggeli (St. George, Utah)
3. Brad Oien (Fountain Valley, Calif.)
4. Tim Price (Great Falls, Va.)
5. Tyler McCaul (Aptos, Calif.)

Junior Women’s Downhill
1. Chrissie Pinney (Concord, Calif.)

Elite Men’s 4-Cross
1. Brian Lopes (San Clemente, Calif.)
2. Ross Milan (Golden, Colo.)
3. Eric Carter (Winchester, Calif./Mongoose)
4. Rich Houseman (Temecula, Calif.)*
5. Tommy Tokarczyk (Durango, Colo.)
6. Jeremiah Work (Austin, Texas)

Elite Women’s 4-Cross
1. Jill Kintner (Seattle, Wash.)
2. Melissa Buhl (Chandler, Ariz.)
3. Jessica Vogt (Boulder, Colo.)
4. Tara Llanes (Los Alamitos, Calif.)
5. Neven Steinmetz (Boulder, Colo.)
 
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Usa cycling should give up. I "thought" Todd from IH was gonna fix things but it hasnt quite happened yet.

How does a jr x rider qualify? here are the top ten from usa cycling
1 1076 Timothy Price 194155 Great Falls, VA
2 1086 Ryan Anderson 189630 Poway, CA
3 1093 Geoffrey Ulmer 197485 Troy, NY
4 1096 Miles Payton 217396 Santa Cruz, CA
5 1098 Chris Shewmake 212815 Centennial, CO
6 1099 Tyler McCaul 178124 Aptos, CA
7 1106 Joey Schusler 201238 Boulder, CO
8 1125 Chris Myers 225550 Colorado Springs, CO
9 1144 Ryan Kresich 218714 Clayton, CA
10 1155 Kevin Aiello 245409 Rancho Santa, CA

Can somebody explain this insanity? oh and look at dk's thread, shows usacyclings consistency
 
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yea. what the hell happened to him. i've been looking through some declines and stuff from a couple years ago. its all cody warren blah blah soon to take over downhill ect. and dustin adams is now working on an oil rig becuase giant dropped his sponsorship, he was fast but probably canadian
 
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dirttastesgood said:
what happened to that kid who road for haro who was supposed to be sick and take over dh, cody warren or something like that
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Yah, that's Cody Warren. Still extremely fast... just had a bit of bad luck after the first NMBS in Fontana (which he won over Kovarik & Rennie). Cody's riding on an independent deal on Foes Racing. He elected not to go to MSA World Cup I believe... & placed 6th at US Champs. not sure what happened there. (possible flat/crash?)

Extremely surprised not to see him on the list. especially since he's a former US champ & won a NMBS this season. Also kinda surprised not to see David K on the list. i know he's been injured, but he came in 2nd at Angelfire & has been on a tear at a number of races early on in the season. I wouldn't have figured they'd be on the coach's selection list.... oh wait, DH doesn't have any coaches. Goes to show you that USA Cycling are full of tools!
 
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Going out on a limb here-tell me if I am wrong

Perhaps the 2 (or more-depending on how you look at it) wildcards on the mens DH team that were chosen over DK and Cody Warren were chosen on the fact they really want to go, love racing, begged and pleaded, etc

Fact is, no american is going to win the rainbows for many years, so you might as well allow riders to go that at least are passionate about racing, would do anything to go, show a love for sport and country, etc.

I just do not see Cody Warren getting excited about going (or anything for that matter, nice kid, but does he always look asleep?) and maybe they just thought DK even though our best hope for a one shot deal might just 'not give a crap' or something?

I am in no way sticking up for USAC, they blow as$, but this is the thinking I would use if choosing a team.
 
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stiksandstones said:
Going out on a limb here-tell me if I am wrong

Perhaps the 2 (or more-depending on how you look at it) wildcards on the mens DH team that were chosen over DK and Cody Warren were chosen on the fact they really want to go, love racing, begged and pleaded, etc

Fact is, no american is going to win the rainbows for many years, so you might as well allow riders to go that at least are passionate about racing, would do anything to go, show a love for sport and country, etc.

I just do not see Cody Warren getting excited about going (or anything for that matter, nice kid, but does he always look asleep?) and maybe they just thought DK even though our best hope for a one shot deal might just 'not give a crap' or something?

I am in no way sticking up for USAC, they blow as$, but this is the thinking I would use if choosing a team.
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At USA cycling, i doubt it. If, however that is the mindset, I would support it 100%. I'd be way more stoked to see the 4th and 5th rider being people who would go 100% and live to ride that one race, rather than someone who may half ass it and not really be into it even if they would do better.
 
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stiksandstones said:
Going out on a limb here-tell me if I am wrong

Perhaps the 2 (or more-depending on how you look at it) wildcards on the mens DH team that were chosen over DK and Cody Warren were chosen on the fact they really want to go, love racing, begged and pleaded, etc
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You are right on this one, there are faster American DHers on the circut who are not on that list (DK, C-dub) and assuming the reason for them not being on the roster because of lack of "begging" is probably mostly the case.




Fact is, no american is going to win the rainbows for many years, so you might as well allow riders to go that at least are passionate about racing, would do anything to go, show a love for sport and country, etc.
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Although there is not a chance to win rainbow in the next, say, two years...the current JR team shows much potential. J.D has been racing forever and has been doing better this year than previous years, finally. Brad has more passion and desire to do well than all the senior team combined, and it shows by his results in the NMBS series (swept the first 3 races), progression? You bet, check out his '06 results.

I just do not see Cody Warren getting excited about going (or anything for that matter, nice kid, but does he always look asleep?) and maybe they just thought DK even though our best hope for a one shot deal might just 'not give a crap' or something?
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DK was actually serious about making a comeback (in a DK way)...but unfortunately his injury held him back, and apparently US cycling was the final blow. I haven't talked to Cody since D.V so I'm not sure what's up with him, but it dosen't take a genious to know that he is better than most people on that roster.

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Joey and Chris should have made the Jr team. Weak, USAC, weak
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Chris who? Joey will probably make it next year, he's on track...
 
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i'm honestly only disappointed by the jr selections- nothing against the kids that got selected. i just wonder if they can send 7 juniors and simply choose not to because they dont want to or dont care.

i kind of agree with "send people who love racing since clearly none of them will be winning the stripes" to an extent. but the change is going to come from the juniors and sending 5 eighteen year olds isnt going to do much to change that. getting some first year juniors in there to build experience and farm up talent is the only way i see our "slump" ending. and to just completely ignore that is ridiculous.

also if we are sending people to represent the country should results really be the only thing that are looked at? how about who can pass a drug test and not add another embarassing mark on american downhill history. how about who wont run their mouth off but instead has a good attitude around events? how about who's going to still maybe have a passion for racing in a few years instead of being a flash in the pan. other things should perhaps carry some weight to the selection process than just results.

but i guess that would take some effort on their part to know the racers as something more than a name on a petition. i'd hate to have add antoher chore to what is surely a packed day of coming up with ways to **** gravity racing deeper in the b-hole.
 
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WhiteRavenKS said:
i'm honestly only disappointed by the jr selections- nothing against the kids that got selected. i just wonder if they can send 7 juniors and simply choose not to because they dont want to or dont care.

i kind of agree with "send people who love racing since clearly none of them will be winning the stripes" to an extent. but the change is going to come from the juniors and sending 5 eighteen year olds isnt going to do much to change that. getting some first year juniors in there to build experience and farm up talent is the only way i see our "slump" ending. and to just completely ignore that is ridiculous.

also if we are sending people to represent the country should results really be the only thing that are looked at? how about who can pass a drug test and not add another embarassing mark on american downhill history. how about who wont run their mouth off but instead has a good attitude around events? how about who's going to still maybe have a passion for racing in a few years instead of being a flash in the pan. other things should perhaps carry some weight to the selection process than just results.

but i guess that would take some effort on their part to know the racers as something more than a name on a petition. i'd hate to have add antoher chore to what is surely a packed day of coming up with ways to **** gravity racing deeper in the b-hole.
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mmm tomato soup.

Federations can and do choose to send less than the maximum for logistic reasons. That is usually a cop out as they aren't paying anyways. Canada sends 3 senior men, when they are allowed 7 and there are realistically 5 people who could have top 30-35 finishes.

I think results should be key, but agree that the proper attitude will go eons in helping a program out. I htink that goes hand in hand with sending people who are amped about racing though. Send someone who really wants to race, can have good results and won't be a douche at the event. I think if you are stoked to be there and want to live the experience, chances are you are going to not be a douche while there?
 
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right on man! i know that was your gaol!
 
DylanDeanDesign

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regarding sending a full team or not....

my 2 cents on that is essentially.... if the racers are on their own dime, then select a full team. who cares if they have to walk down the mountain... have alternates selected as well.. that way if people from the main team can't make it, let someone have the opportunity.

HOWEVER if the country was paying for the riders to go to Worlds, then of course send a strong team to represent - even if it's not a full squad. there are a descent amount of riders on that list that i would not necessarily select for a worlds team... but since i'm not paying, i'm not gonna complain too much
 
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Thanks for the support from those who mentioned me (Chris Shewmake). I am just a little confused as to why USAC doesn't take as many racers as possible. We have to pay for it anyway, why not just allow all 7 to go? No one has been able to give me even a close to reasonable answer to this. Also, were any of the athletes tested at National Championships? I'm just about positive none of the Jr's were. At least I wasn't. It's going to really look bad for America if someone fails.
 
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WhiteRavenKS said:
i'm honestly only disappointed by the jr selections- nothing against the kids that got selected. i just wonder if they can send 7 juniors and simply choose not to because they dont want to or dont care.

i kind of agree with "send people who love racing since clearly none of them will be winning the stripes" to an extent. but the change is going to come from the juniors and sending 5 eighteen year olds isnt going to do much to change that. getting some first year juniors in there to build experience and farm up talent is the only way i see our "slump" ending. and to just completely ignore that is ridiculous.

also if we are sending people to represent the country should results really be the only thing that are looked at? how about who can pass a drug test and not add another embarassing mark on american downhill history. how about who wont run their mouth off but instead has a good attitude around events? how about who's going to still maybe have a passion for racing in a few years instead of being a flash in the pan. other things should perhaps carry some weight to the selection process than just results.

but i guess that would take some effort on their part to know the racers as something more than a name on a petition. i'd hate to have add antoher chore to what is surely a packed day of coming up with ways to **** gravity racing deeper in the b-hole.
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I agree with all of that...umm...stuff. But I guess it's kinda much to ask for our "federation" to go off more than just results and reaserch lifestyles and what not, like you said...do you think they would put forth that effort? Any effort at all? nope.

As far as building experiance, I'm not too sure that worlds is the best place to do that (that's prolly why they go on results and not the lifestyle card). I would say that experiance needs to be built on the national circut, domestic races and perhaps even the world cup circut...Unfortunately our national circut is lacking...


WhiteRavenKS said:
chris who? chris shewmake. consistantly one of the fastest kids. he's up there in the standings.
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Whoa, sorry Nancy...I honestly did not know who the kid was, I was not trying to bash him in any way (just because he is not from broCal!!) Just looked up the results from this year, ripper! If I was looking at results as basis for selection I would have put him on the team. What about lifestyle though?
 
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Whoa, sorry Nancy...I honestly did not know who the kid was, I was not trying to bash him in any way (just because he is not from broCal!!) Just looked up the results from this year, ripper! If I was looking at results as basis for selection I would have put him on the team. What about lifestyle though?:brow:
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Chris is about as clean cut as they come.
 
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alf- i cant keep track of everyone either, i just know the co kids for the most part.

anyways, i think worlds is a fantastic place for a junior to get experience. what race is taken more serious than worlds? what race is takes more physical preparation and mental focus than worlds? it is the one day, one run test of you as a racer, we all know that but who of us really knows what it's like to FEEL that and be there? i think it's exactly the kind of test that can really separate the wheat from the chaff. having a junior at age 16 or 17 get a face full of that reality will set them up to know what it takes for the rest of their racing career... and maybe set them up to do really well at the event the next year when they are still a junior and can maybe have a better chance of getting a medal or at least a really great result.

for the whole lifestyle of the racers thing- obviously some poor bastard stuck behind a desk all day or stuck in meetings brainstorming ways to screw over gravity racing's future isnt going to have the time to get to know the racers on any kind of personal level. so what about people in the know- input from people who do know the racers. letters of recomendation would be a good thing to include with petitions. if it comes from little timmy dicktard's shift manager down at the dildery then maybe that racer shouldnt be taken as seriously as someone with a letter from an established racer and a school teacher both boasting the kid's overall great work ethic.
 
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Over the last two years ive ridden with, shot photos of and observed the current crop of Juniors from many federations....UK, AUS, NZ, RSA, FRA, Canada and the US... These riders all have the same passion, desires and potential. The main difference is that the stronger Juniors have better mentorship and better support from their federations...If younger riders see their federations taking Downhill seriously then they see it as a worthwhile endevour and set goals to attain. In the US it seems like those in control dont really care...this filters down and effects the youths drive and thus depth of talent. But this is only half the story...I see British riders making the trek all over Europe to race, gaining skill, speed and experience at every stop. USA racers dont seem bothered to even travel across the country, never mind the Border to a N AMerican world cup. Hell there is a truck of Aussies Jnrs that have ridden and raced more in N America the last 2 months than most in the whole season...this on their own money not the federations....The last point which i mentioned earlier, which US Pros have the power to actually do, vs, hope a federation does it for you, is to take and groom some Jnr talent...Peat has done it for countless Jnrs and everyone has gone on to good things individually. So if you want to see change in the next few years its up to you
 
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stiksandstones said:
Might as well allow riders to go that at least are passionate about racing, would do anything to go, show a love for sport and country, etc.
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Yeah you'd think. I (Miles Payton) petitioned for a spot on the junior team but interestingly enough I was reccomended NOT to write a cover letter or anything for my petition, USAC said I should keep it to the form (results, reccomendations, ranking). I thought personality, not just results, would be part of the selection.

I can think of a few juniors (myself, Joey Schusler, Ryan Anderson, Chris Shewmake) who have all shown themselves to be as fast as the rest of the jr team, who knows why they don't take 2 more. Much respect to the junior team, they all deserve to be there, but imo they should take 7.
 
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No first year Jr's? Next year is going to be scary for Jr DH, not one member of next year’s team will have been to worlds. Our only hope is to get some experience racing the North American world cups.

Its funny, I had a letter of recommendation from Cameron Cole saying how crucial it is to take a first year Jr. and how Cameron’s experience as a first year Jr. at worlds really helped him step it up to win it the next year. I guess that dosnt mean anything though, New Zealand cycling is obviously trying to undermine us.

I definently think that the Jr. category would be an important one to take our maximum potential.

It is also aparent that the only race that matters for selection is vermont.

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bizutch

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Would someone do me the favor of taking the DH Worlds Men's team and posting up their results thus far in 2007 side by side?

Also, DK and Cody Warren need to request to be put on as alternates!
Email klusk@usacycling.org as she has just moved back out West. She is the best person I know of at USACycling. Also, each of the riders left off Juniors should do the same! Also, since Ska Todd has some pull in his elected position, DK and the juniors would be wise to get him involved as well.

If you don't at the very least add yourself as an alternate, you'd be foolish. As much happens between now and Worlds. Besides, nobody said all of the guys listed can get together the money for airfare, lodging, passports, etc. Last year all the guys named didn't go!
 
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You need to confirm that these 7 guys chosen are actually GOING to the worlds. I can't imagine a couple of these guys I have never heard of are going to spend a couple grand to goto scotland, just to get 75th place.
SO....find out who is not going, you are surely an alternate, they send in a letter saying they are opting out, you are in. Happened before when Colin was chosen for worlds, he said "I aint going as USAC pays for NOTHING" and some other dude got in.
 
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How can USAC not support the gravity team without at least one dedicated coach? Do they provide coaches for other cycling disciplines or do they self support? It appears that teh countries that do well (UK, AUS, France) all have support of coaches, it would make a huge difference for the US, too.
 
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cshewmake7 said:
bizutch said:
Email klusk@usacycling.org as she has just moved back out West. She is the best person I know of at USACycling. Also, each of the riders left off Juniors should do the same! QUOTE]

E-mail sent. Thanks bizutch. What is the best way to contact Ska Todd?
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FYI, calling Kelli is a good idea. She is a VERY good person. I also forgot that you need to contact your regional NORBA rep and petition them by phone and email as well.
Last, but not least, if you have a NORBA rep that is at all your local races, give them a call and email too to have them vouch for you. They've seen you more than any other and can attest to talent first hand. Anytime you send in a proposal or resume, list your NORBA rep as a reference.
(631) 232-9259 ext 206

todds@ironhorsebikes.com

Or you can be his e-buddy on my space... just search for Ska Todd...heh.
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DK
You need to confirm that these 7 guys chosen are actually GOING to the worlds. I can't imagine a couple of these guys I have never heard of are going to spend a couple grand to goto scotland, just to get 75th place.
SO....find out who is not going, you are surely an alternate, they send in a letter saying they are opting out, you are in. Happened before when Colin was chosen for worlds, he said "I aint going as USAC pays for NOTHING" and some other dude got in.
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DK nuked his thread. FYI, I can just about guarantee that Beytagh, Bangert and Herndon will go considering that Morewood is based here in Asheville and Beytagh and Herndon both live here. It's a direct flight out of Charlotte from here and about as cheap as flying out West.
 
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bizutch said:
DK nuked his thread. FYI, I can just about guarantee that Beytagh, Bangert and Herndon will go considering that Morewood is based here in Asheville and Beytagh and Herndon both live here. It's a direct flight out of Charlotte from here and about as cheap as flying out West.
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Fort william hotels will be booked by now, if you do find one it will be BLING, add in the horrible exchange rate, add in the overpriced food and you have one hell of an expensive trip.

At any rate, find out who is not going, confirm it, get on team.
 
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stiksandstones said:
Fort william hotels will be booked by now, if you do find one it will be BLING, add in the horrible exchange rate, add in the overpriced food and you have one hell of an expensive trip.

At any rate, find out who is not going, confirm it, get on team.
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Not disputing that. It was my advice to DK in the other thread before it went out. Last minute overseas trips aren't a piece of cake. My point was to put a guess on who will have the easiest shot at getting there.
 
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bizutch said:
Not disputing that. It was my advice to DK in the other thread before it went out. Last minute overseas trips aren't a piece of cake. My point was to put a guess on who will have the easiest shot at getting there.
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No worries, you made a good point.
Here is to hoping everyone gets what they want ;)
 
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How can USAC not support the gravity team without at least one dedicated coach? Do they provide coaches for other cycling disciplines or do they self support? It appears that teh countries that do well (UK, AUS, France) all have support of coaches, it would make a huge difference for the US, too.
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Correct me if I'm wrong here Stik, but didn't Leigh try and volunteer to coach the juniors for worlds a couple years back but USA Cycling didn't want to pay to send her with the team? Comes down to them being cheap.
 
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There's usually a pretty simple formula for making the junior x team, you have to either win a national, have 3 top 3s or maybe top 5s(I think), be first in the series at the point of selection or be national champ. If you do not qualify for any of those then your best hope is to petition USA cycling.

Chris, you and Joey should send emails and get recommendations, if you're in the top 5 overall or at least the top 7, then you should have a damn good shot of going.

BTW the USA cycling rankings don't really matter, local races and jazz like that factor in. With the worlds team all that really matters is NMBCS performance. Anyways props to the guys who are going, I raced with em all last year and it's good to see Tim Price getting what he deserves, he's the race run implosion king.
 
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DH Diva said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here Stik, but didn't Leigh try and volunteer to coach the juniors for worlds a couple years back but USA Cycling didn't want to pay to send her with the team? Comes down to them being cheap. They used to pay for the juniors who qualified through automatic selection, but they havn't done that for years.
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Countless number of times...offered no charge. She even offered to help run the slalom at whistler but they never called. There are old pros with knowledge offering help, but rarely are taken up on the offer.
 
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The funding excuse is always lame. If the quota is not full and the other Juniors are willing to travel with their parents, buy their own kit, make their own travel, accomodation arrangements..then it should be allowed. Not a right, but if they show potential especially in the case of younger first year juniors then they should be allowed.
If im not mistaken, last year in NZ. USA CYcling rented out a whole hotel, brought their own chefs, a doctor, masseuse, mechanics, coachs and a handfull of other "suits" who were there fully paid for from your liscence fees. It must have cost them an arm and a leg. Yet other federations like the British and Australia spend (waste)less than half the money yet fund and support the actual riders (Dh included) way more.
 
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