Truck shifting advice (automatic)

eaterofdog · Feb 8, 2011

Just be glad it stops at all.

They all do it.

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

Can you turn the over drive off? if you can do that then just turn it off for the climbs like that. I have a 2006 F-150 and I will turn my over drive off sometimes in the mountains if I cant maitain good speeds.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
Can you turn the over drive off? if you can do that then just turn it off for the climbs like that. I have a 2006 F-150 and I will turn my over drive off sometimes in the mountains if I cant maitain good speeds.

overdrive wont effect his 1-5 (or 1-4) gears

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

On mine it changes the timing on when the truck will shift gears. It usually revs higher in each gear with the OD off than with it on. It also usually keeps it a gear down from where it would bewith OD on. With his truck with th OD off it may keep it in the right gear though out the climb.

moff_quigley · Feb 8, 2011

Have your mom buy you a new truck. :monkey:

wreckedrex · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
overdrive wont effect his 1-5 (or 1-4) gears

In some (most?) cases OD off is also tow/haul mode which may change shifting behavior for all gears in addition to locking out 6th. How about using that fake sports mode? Will it hold the gear you select or does it do whatever the hell it wants?

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
On mine it changes the timing on when the truck will shift gears. It usually revs higher in each gear with the OD off than with it on. It also usually keeps it a gear down from where it would bewith OD on. With his truck with th OD off it may keep it in the right gear though out the climb.

not calling you a liar or anything but thats not really how a OD works.

wreckedrex said:
In some (most?) cases OD off is also tow/haul mode which may change shifting behavior for all gears in addition to locking out 6th.

tow/haul is not the same as what a overdrive is

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
not calling you a liar or anything but thats not really how a OD works.

All I know is that in the mountains if I get behind slow traffic and I turn the OD off it keeps the truck from switching gears every 3 seconds. Not saying it will work the same on Demo 9's truck but it couldnt hurt.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
All I know is that in the mountains if I get behind slow traffic and I turn the OD off it keeps the truck from switching gears every 3 seconds. Not saying it will work the same on Demo 9's truck but it couldnt hurt.

thats because it locks out 5th or 6th gear from engaging so your tranny isnt "wandering" to find the right gear.

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
thats because it locks out 5th or 6th gear from engaging so your tranny isnt "wandering" to find the right gear.

Thats what I said

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
Thats what I said

it doesnt change your shift points or make it rev anymore than it would if the OD was engaged. it just turns your 5 speed into a 4speed

stevew · Feb 8, 2011

get a manual shift.

skunkty14 · Feb 8, 2011

eaterofdog said:
Just be glad it stops at all.]

Fail. Educate yourself, the popular media/press explosion surrounding the mis-diagnosed Toyota acceleration issues is embarrassing for those who claim to be journalists.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-02-08/runaway-toyotas-cleared-by-u-s-of-electronic-flaws.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept Note this article is from Dec. '09 before the all the reports of acceleration issues hit popular press.

FWIW I don't own a Toyota, haven't owned one, and would still consider buying one if it fit what I wanted for a vehicle.

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
it doesnt change your shift points or make it rev anymore than it would if the OD was engaged. it just turns your 5 speed into a 4speed

If you say so, you're the expert.

kickstand · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
Can you turn the over drive off? if you can do that then just turn it off for the climbs like that. I have a 2006 F-150 and I will turn my over drive off sometimes in the mountains if I cant maitain good speeds.

Thats because you own a ford, and ford is stupid (I own a ford) and doesn't use tow/haul like chevy does. Chevy will use tow/haul and allow you to still get into OD, ford turns OD off completely and then has the other gears shift like it is in tow/haul.

IH8Rice said:
not calling you a liar or anything but thats not really how a OD works.

tow/haul is not the same as what a overdrive is

on a ford that's how it works.

IH8Rice said:
it doesnt change your shift points or make it rev anymore than it would if the OD was engaged. it just turns your 5 speed into a 4speed

Yeah, it does on a ford.

My Chevy's all had (D, 3, 2, 1) (if I remember right) as gears to choose in my auto's, if I didn't want to use OD while towing I dropped it into 3, tow haul was seperate. On my current ford I have D, 2, 1, and an overdrive on/off which DOES also alter my shift characteristics.

This is the first Ford I have owned, but I have noticed this in many of the fords I have driven over the years. I can't be 100% certain that the shift patterns are drastically changed on the Ford Trucks like when using Tow/Haul on the Chevies, but my experience driving them has given me the impression this is the case because they certainly feel much different.

SkaredShtles · Feb 8, 2011

stevew said:
get a manual shift.

The Voice of Reason. :thumb:

denjen · Feb 8, 2011

kickstand said:
Thats because you own a ford, and ford is stupid (I own a ford) and doesn't use tow/haul like chevy does. Chevy will use tow/haul and allow you to still get into OD, ford turns OD off completely and then has the other gears shift like it is in tow/haul.

on a ford that's how it works.

Yeah, it does on a ford.

My Chevy's all had (D, 3, 2, 1) (if I remember right) as gears to choose in my auto's, if I didn't want to use OD while towing I dropped it into 3, tow haul was seperate. On my current ford I have D, 2, 1, and an overdrive on/off which DOES also alter my shift characteristics.

This is the first Ford I have owned, but I have noticed this in many of the fords I have driven over the years.

Thanks, IH8rice had me thinking I was crazy for a few minutes.

kickstand · Feb 8, 2011

denjen said:
Thanks, IH8rice had me thinking I was crazy for a few minutes.

He may be correct, but having driven and owned both it certainly feels to me as I have described. Personally I like the way the chevy controls are better than the ford, but I bought a diesel so I dont have to worry about turning OD off unless I am towing a ridiculous load.

jonKranked · Feb 8, 2011

i think you should have montashu help you put a new transmission in

jdcamb · Feb 8, 2011

Put it in D and stomp on the pedal on the right side of the floor.

jonKranked · Feb 8, 2011

jdcamb said:
Put it in D and stomp on the pedal on the right side of the floor.

swap it out for one of those bigfoot shaped pedals too

eaterofdog · Feb 8, 2011

skunkty14 said:
Fail. Educate yourself, the popular media/press explosion surrounding the mis-diagnosed Toyota acceleration issues is embarrassing for those who claim to be journalists.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-02-08/runaway-toyotas-cleared-by-u-s-of-electronic-flaws.html

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/09q4/how_to_deal_with_unintended_acceleration-tech_dept Note this article is from Dec. '09 before the all the reports of acceleration issues hit popular press.

FWIW I don't own a Toyota, haven't owned one, and would still consider buying one if it fit what I wanted for a vehicle.

246 toothpicks.

KavuRider · Feb 8, 2011

Or you could just ride one of your 12 bikes to your GF's house.

ncrider · Feb 8, 2011

Be a man and tell your GF to meet you at the bottom of the hill like all good little girls should.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

demo 9 said:
Tried 1st again today, solves the problem, but i have to go so damn slow to shift into 1st withough beating on the truck that its hardly worth it(dont think fake sport modes are good for cars)

Tow haul will move the shift points higher, good idea?

shifting into 1st from 2nd while going at any speed isnt a good idea

kickstand · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
shifting into 1st from 2nd while going at any speed isnt a good idea

with todays automatics can you explain what damage this would do?

Get going 80 on the freeway, drop it into first, it's not gonna shift until the computer lets it anyway, it's not like the old school mechanical shift transmissions.....

Also, to further illustrate that point take a newer car and put it in first gear and floor it, it'll shift long before it does damage to your car or transmission.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

kickstand said:
with todays automatics can you explain what damage this would do?

Get going 80 on the freeway, drop it into first, it's not gonna shift until the computer lets it anyway, it's not like the old school mechanical shift transmissions.....

Also, to further illustrate that point take a newer car and put it in first gear and floor it, it'll shift long before it does damage to your car or transmission.

if you move the shifter from D to 1, it of course will shift it into 1st gear regardless of speed. the computer will prevent the engine from over-revving, but its not going to protect your transmission.

putting a car in 1st gear and taking off is a lot different then going at speed and going from 2nd to 1st.
if youve ever gone into 2nd to 1st while at speed, you will see exactly how bad it is on your drivetrain.

kickstand · Feb 8, 2011

IH8Rice said:
if you move the shifter from D to 1, it of course will shift it into 1st gear regardless of speed. the computer will prevent the engine from over-revving, but its not going to protect your transmission.

putting a car in 1st gear and taking off is a lot different then going at speed and going from 2nd to 1st.
if youve ever gone into 2nd to 1st while at speed, you will see exactly how bad it is on your drivetrain.

you have to be kidding me, I can throw my car into first gear on the freeway (it is an automatic), I will feel it downshift to 3rd, it will then downshift to second at about 55 mph (I'll verify tomorrow), and it will not downshift to first until almost 30 mph.

Same with my 96 s-10, 99 silverado, 07 new style silverado, etc.

Tell me what damage this is doing? It is NO different than downshifting with a stick shift, and it isn't downshifting and redlining, when I drop from 2nd to first it only revs to about 3000 rpm or 3500 rpm in first gear (I think my car redlines at 6000 or 5500).

As well I can put the gear selector in first gear and stomp on the gas, all the way to redline, and hold my foot to the floor, unlike my 1978 chevy truck, my newer car will shift into second gear.

The gear selector may say first, but just putting it there doesn't guarantee that is where todays computer controlled transmission has chosen to be.

????? · Feb 8, 2011

demo 9 said:
and ill just drive up it with minimal gas until i slow down, the problem is that while i do this, eventually it wont want to hold 2nd, so it will shift down to first as im slowing down(as hill gets steeper) It will eventually "pop" into first violently.

Unless you've already managed to break the transmission or are unnecessarily manually shifting your automatic, it doesn't do this on it's own.

demo 9 said:
What can i do to make the truck not ram 1st so hard?

Put it in 'D' and drive.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

kickstand said:
you have to be kidding me, I can throw my car into first gear on the freeway (it is an automatic), I will feel it downshift to 3rd, it will then downshift to second at about 55 mph (I'll verify tomorrow), and it will not downshift to first until almost 30 mph.

Same with my 96 s-10, 99 silverado, 07 new style silverado, etc.

As well I can put the gear selector in first gear and stomp on the gas, all the way to redline, and hold my foot to the floor, unlike my 1978 chevy truck, my newer car will shift into second gear.

The gear selector may say first, but just putting it there doesn't guarantee that is where todays computer controlled transmission has chosen to be.

im not going to argue with you on your specific vehicle, but of the numerous cars ive owned over the years, they all would (except for the CVT cars ive had.)

i can also guarantee your 96 S10 would do this and destroy its tranmission as ive seen it happen before.

and like i said before, accelerating and having the car shift into 2nd gear isnt nearly as bad as downshifting manually into 1st whilst at speed. im sure dirty mike will explain why since i cant put it into layman's terms.

DirtyMike · Feb 8, 2011

Ok let me get this straight........ You said this is a 45 degree hill??????
If thats the case, back up, stop what your doing, and learn how to traverse a hill like this..............

Start with this... you dont want to rce up teh hill, you dont want it slamming into first.

Stop at the bottom before you go up the hill............. and stay in first till you hit the top.

IH8rice....... Yes, there are alot of trucks out there that turning the OD off puts the truck into tow mode as well....... its a terrible idea, but it does.

Kickstand........ Please listen on this........ Stop giving automitive repair advice. I know you have this in your head that you know what your doing. But everytime I see your advice there is always some flaw in it. Yes the electronics will stop it from down shifting, but the manual valve you move inside the trans when going from D to 1st at speed DOES do damage inside the transimssion wether or not it shifts...... Yes it wont shift, but your mainline pressure just went through the roof.... Its a great way to blow seals out of the tranmission

Seriously I am not trying to be an ass to you, you asked me why it seems everytime you say something, I have something completly opposite to it..... Its because teashing yourself, and filling in the blanks does not mean you know what your talking about.

IH8Rice · Feb 8, 2011

DirtyMike said:
IH8rice....... Yes, there are alot of trucks out there that turning the OD off puts the truck into tow mode as well....... its a terrible idea, but it does.

Kickstand........ Please listen on this........ Stop giving automitive repair advice. I know you have this in your head that you know what your doing. But everytime I see your advice there is always some flaw in it. Yes the electronics will stop it from down shifting, but the manual valve you move inside the trans when going from D to 1st at speed DOES do damage inside the transimssion wether or not it shifts...... Yes it wont shift, but your mainline pressure just went through the roof.... Its a great way to blow seals out of the tranmission

Seriously I am not trying to be an ass to you, you asked me why it seems everytime you say something, I have something completly opposite to it..... Its because teashing yourself, and filling in the blanks does not mean you know what your talking about.

i wasnt aware of the o/d being a tow haul mode until today. and like you said, its not the best idea.

and thank you for verifying my conspiracy on down shifting a auto

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