Good comparison, highly discounted from retail after they've been on the market for over a year vs. not-even-brought-to-market-speculation...
Pedals are another story but there will be more info Id imagine shortly on these and that they are a solid deal.....
Ya...they do basically. You'd be a moron to run anything besides saints, xt's, or SLX cranks (depending on budget/application). Best cranks, period.
****, on the 3 bikes I ride there are none
Is RF, Sugino and Truvativ making me look stupid in front of the chicks? 
Okay. So? Who's to say these aren't freakin bombproof, super quick and easy to install/remove, no interface-wear issues like RF have, and lighter? That would be right within the M.O. for E.13.
I agree with you.
Let me rephrase that...they look like catalog parts. E13 has a history of innovation and excellent design work, and these look like they picked them out of a catalog, like deity, and put their logo on them. LOOKS LIKE. You can't start the hype machine and not e-speculate. You already seem to think they'll be the best thing out their based solely on e13's reputation. I think they look iffy based solely on their looks. Who's right?
Okay. They're cranks. What, exactly, did you expect them to look like? Did you do a quick FEA on the photograph?
My point in your quoted statement was not that these will be crap...it's that, as Socket mentioned, e13 has a history of innovation and creative thinking. I can't see them releasing a set of crank arms just to add another product to their inventory....which leads me to believe there will be some kind of draw with it, ie a better interface, superb weight, better strength, or something. I just don't imagine them saying "let's slap our logo on something else to cash in on a competitive market". You even say so yourself in your first paragraph above.
I think what now? I said explicitly that we don't know anything about them and have no idea what they'll be like. That's it. I agreed with Socket above that I'd be surprised if they weren't very good, judging by E.13's general history.
Who's right? Well, we can say for sure one thing: your judging that they are "iffy" based on one photo of one side of the cranks with no further information is bound to be a lot less right than stating what is a basic fact: without further information, it's impossible to judge.
I am dubious of this whole situation. This could very well be just some Japanese guy with access to laser etching, a camera, and a well manicured garden/patio area.
you said they were expensive. i showed you they werent.Good comparison, highly discounted from retail after they've been on the market for over a year vs. not-even-brought-to-market-speculation...
Oh, and the Saints aren't in stock at CRC, as they also weren't when I was shopping for them a month ago.
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Just rode with my buddy yesterday who got his from CR two days ago.
I'm really just trying to make an observation. They REALLY do seem to own the crank market. I don't know many serious DH riders who don't run saints (who have a choice that is).
Okay. Sure.
Your opinion does not dictate the entire mountain bike market. I love Shimano cranks, but they do not own the market. Period.
Yes, yes it is. I've seen guys turned down for intercourse for running truvativs. Granted I run bontrager king earls with a truvativ BB on my hardtail (gasp!), but I did get them for free.****, on the 3 bikes I ride there are none
That didnt get nearly the reaction I hoped for!
ahhhh, I like what you're doing.. Maybe step it up with some insults, that will get reactions. like:That didnt get nearly the reaction I hoped for!
I'm going to try posting that in some other random threads and see what happens.
I luv CRC!
They retail for a lot, as is speculation for the E-13 cranks. Market price (esp when buying from across the pond) is a whole different thang. And no, I don't pay retail for anything, and definitely not my Saint cranks.
how do you keep track of all these dang things?
It's not impossible, but without access to hollow forging like Shimano are doing, I'd be extremely surprised if you could make something that had a better strength/stiffness-to-weight ratio. The reliefs machined on that crank make me think it's unlikely to be hollow forged, hence my doubt that it is actually a genuine E13 product. Lack of pinchbolts on a two-piece setup also indicate either a tapered spline setup (a la ISIS, Octalink etc) which would have tolerance issues with BB shells not being *exactly* 83.00mm wide causing improper bearing preload one way or the other, or a non-tapered spline setup (a la Raceface's current offerings) which are prone to interface wear. Unless they've thought of a way to have a tapered spline with a separate bearing preload mechanism, like a small lockring on the BB spindle or something.
that pic is perfect! Anyway the spindle is green and the interface is hidden...That would make some said crank makers to apperent. My oppinion the flat sides are more ankel friendly I still have a bump on my foot from the point on the sides of lx/hone cranks. I want them.
Shimano already thought of that too, it's on the later-gen XTR.
The donkey! It is still in the hole! What will YOU do?
Yea, they looked super cool. These aren't some crappy catalog crank knockoffs.
how dare you bring common sense it this!!
