can't wait.... that spindle looks HUGE...
E-13 prototype crank
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singles-peed? Sounds like a kinky online dating service.
Someone is conspicuously absent from this thread...
Is it Santa? Oh wait... Jesus, maybe? Who?
I like the concept and good job for the Hive and e13 for collaborating, can't see why people are so neg another player is a good thing, bullcrew said as early as first page it was on, don;t understand the dissenting on it.
They're is a market in DH arena for new products, to compete with existing like Saint RF etc, especially where they can focus primarily on that and not get side tracked to please the carbon XC lycra crowd.
I say bring it on and once the dust is settle then decide what ya want, can only be good, if it stands up they will do well, if over priced and not so good they will come and go as quick as a plastic thingy with a thingy called a donkey with a tail pinned to it.
Now just bring the ruddy thing out in 165mm
They're is a market in DH arena for new products, to compete with existing like Saint RF etc, especially where they can focus primarily on that and not get side tracked to please the carbon XC lycra crowd.
I say bring it on and once the dust is settle then decide what ya want, can only be good, if it stands up they will do well, if over priced and not so good they will come and go as quick as a plastic thingy with a thingy called a donkey with a tail pinned to it.
Now just bring the ruddy thing out in 165mm
I learned something from a couple years ago that silence from him means 100% confirmation. Seriously.
It was pretty obvious DW was going to Turner when neither him nor DT denied it or even replied to any question about it.
it's all in there....
www.e13bythehive.com
www.e13bythehive.com
From PB:
Details about the new DH crank are as follows:
e*thirteen DH Crank - Finally a lightweight DH crank without strength sacrifices.
* Forged and then machined 7050 Aluminum arms.
o 7050 is 40% stronger than most common hollow forged alloys.
* 30mm heat-treated cromoly spindle.
o It is 200%+ stiffer than 24mm steel spindles commonly used in external bearing cranksets.
* German DIN 32711-P3 Polygon interface provides 100% surface contact between spindle and crankarm
o Eliminates fretting corrosion - the prime cause of dreaded crankset creaking and loosening.
* 14mm pedal thread engagement + 7050 arm construction + quality pedal washers.
o Eliminates the need for costly and unreliable pedal thread inserts.
* High quality titanium-nickel hybrid spindle coating.
o Increases durability and extends material life (to just about forever). Tell your machinist friends. They might hug you.
* Standard 104 BCD
o Of course!
* Lengths:
o 165mm, 170mm and 175mm lengths.
* BB:
o Larger BB 6806 (7x30x42)Bearings carry 20% greater static load and dramatically increase BB durability.
o 68/73mm and 83mm BB shell versions.
* New: 24-38 Shift ringset option available.
o For you core freeriders who like to earn your downhill.
o Inner ring bolts to outer ring requiring no inner ring tabs on crank.
* Weight: 870g: Crank weight: 759g (165mm x 83mm) / BB weight 111g.
* MSRP: $349 w/BB and BB install tool.
Details about the new DH crank are as follows:
e*thirteen DH Crank - Finally a lightweight DH crank without strength sacrifices.
* Forged and then machined 7050 Aluminum arms.
o 7050 is 40% stronger than most common hollow forged alloys.
* 30mm heat-treated cromoly spindle.
o It is 200%+ stiffer than 24mm steel spindles commonly used in external bearing cranksets.
* German DIN 32711-P3 Polygon interface provides 100% surface contact between spindle and crankarm
o Eliminates fretting corrosion - the prime cause of dreaded crankset creaking and loosening.
* 14mm pedal thread engagement + 7050 arm construction + quality pedal washers.
o Eliminates the need for costly and unreliable pedal thread inserts.
* High quality titanium-nickel hybrid spindle coating.
o Increases durability and extends material life (to just about forever). Tell your machinist friends. They might hug you.
* Standard 104 BCD
o Of course!
* Lengths:
o 165mm, 170mm and 175mm lengths.
* BB:
o Larger BB 6806 (7x30x42)Bearings carry 20% greater static load and dramatically increase BB durability.
o 68/73mm and 83mm BB shell versions.
* New: 24-38 Shift ringset option available.
o For you core freeriders who like to earn your downhill.
o Inner ring bolts to outer ring requiring no inner ring tabs on crank.
* Weight: 870g: Crank weight: 759g (165mm x 83mm) / BB weight 111g.
* MSRP: $349 w/BB and BB install tool.
Funny, I had thought it was Turner from the get go and when you posted this I thought, "Yep, he's on to something.."
Now, If I post that DW is a raging homosexual and he doesn't reply, is that an official coming out of the closet?
More from PB: http://www.pinkbike.com/news/e13-hive-cranks-2010.html
the cranks sure do look purty in person....cant wait to see what the street price will be on them
Ahh...facts are so much better than retarded arguing over speculation.
From http://e13bythehive.com/dw/
No, but seriously, that's quite an ego, and trust me, I know egos.
Watch out, you might break your arm patting yourself on the back so hard there.
No, but seriously, that's quite an ego, and trust me, I know egos.
No, its marketing
Without an ego you cant really market youself. And he is kinda right. e13 chainguides and their ripoffs have a huge part of the market.
a good friend of mine once said "dw is the best salesman engineer in the bike business..."
true, isn't it?
true, isn't it?
Whatevs. I still use my BB mount MRP system 2 with an Al bashguard. Not much different from what they were making 7-8 years ago I believe. It's bent to hell and still has never ever EVER dropped a chain. And it literally took ZERO assembly or alignment (aside from the occasional kicking it after I ram into a rock). Can't say the same for some of the e-13's I've seen. And that lg-1 has to be the worst design for any DH bike that ever sees a rock.No, its marketing
can't say that I agree with you there. my BB height is just under 13.5" and I run an LG1... haven't had an issue yet.
I want to say thank you to all of the people who came out to the US Open, stopped by the e*thirteen tent city and said hi. It was great to see so many people old friends and new, and so many smiles.
e*thirteen has been the dominating part of my life for almost 10 years now, so it's been pretty wild going through the transition from full immersion to zero involvement over the last couple months. I've gotten about a million e-mails and questions about what I'll be doing moving forward. I've got more than my share of work on the table, but all I'm prepared to say right now is that I'll definitely be around, working on even more suspension and bike ergonomics / geometry, and traveling to more World Cups than I have over the past couple years.
Thanks to all of you, the riders at the races, in the woods and on the streets, and members of the interweb online biking community who have offered your creative thoughts, criticism, praise and support over the years. e*thirteen never would have been possible without your help. I can't wait to see what the future holds for the company, the Hive guys are a really sharp crew and I believe in what they are doing.
Thanks to everyone
Dave
e*thirteen has been the dominating part of my life for almost 10 years now, so it's been pretty wild going through the transition from full immersion to zero involvement over the last couple months. I've gotten about a million e-mails and questions about what I'll be doing moving forward. I've got more than my share of work on the table, but all I'm prepared to say right now is that I'll definitely be around, working on even more suspension and bike ergonomics / geometry, and traveling to more World Cups than I have over the past couple years.
Thanks to all of you, the riders at the races, in the woods and on the streets, and members of the interweb online biking community who have offered your creative thoughts, criticism, praise and support over the years. e*thirteen never would have been possible without your help. I can't wait to see what the future holds for the company, the Hive guys are a really sharp crew and I believe in what they are doing.
Thanks to everyone
Dave
Honestly man, I just haven't had the time for internet forums lately. Check the records, but I don't think I've posted here on RideMonkey or on MTBR for about a month, at least not too much. Just too much to do with all of the e*thirteen transition stuff. Add to that that I have SIXTEEN (that's a lot for me) new bike models to test and certify suspension and develop shock tunes on over the next three months, I'm running around like a madman over here..
I'm sorry, but do we know each other? Please, jog my memory because you seem to have some pretty strong opinions about me and I can only guess that you and I have met and that I must have wronged you somehow in the past. If I did, I am truly sorry for that.
Hey I'll tell you what, writing that piece was one of the hardest things I've ever done. Try wrapping up 10 years of your life in a few hundred words, it wasn't easy for me.
I don't see how you get anything about ego from what I wrote. If anything I feel like it conveys exactly the opposite. As a matter of fact, that snippet you picked sets the stage for me describing my amazement at e*thirteen's success. Honestly, I never saw that level of success coming. I get it though, sometimes when success falls on a person, some others have a natural tendency to hate and be jealous etc.. It's human nature and there's not much I can do other than keep doing my own thing.
I believe in karma and I try to live my life treating people exactly the way that I would like people to treat me. I'd like to think that most people who actually know me think that I am a good and humble person. I sure try to be.
My entire letter from the e*thirteen Hive site.
e*thirteen has been a great journey over the years. Back in the year 2000 I coined a term chain retention system. I felt like the new chain device that I had designed really wasnt adequately described by the commonly used term chainguide. There were other products on the market at the time, but none of them combined reliable chain retention, impact resistance, and simple setup. When we made the first prototypes, I never would have guessed that e*thirteen would become a mainstay brand and industry leader. Its amazing to think that 10 years later, that first impact absorbing thermoplastic bashguard we built has become the archetype for an entire industry. Being part of a company with a history of bringing relevant innovations to mountain biking has been equal parts enjoyment and frustration. Seeing our products continuously knocked off by the competition has been frustrating at times, but its easy to get over after hearing from riders whose riding lives were improved by something that we built. Amassing more race wins over the last 10 years than all competitors combined has been immensely satisfying also. Weve gotten to meet and work with a couple generations of the worlds fastest riders, and through our new product introductions, we have even had a part in shaping bicycle geometry and the way people ride mountain bikes today. I for one feel really lucky to have had all of that hard work turn into something that riders appreciate.
The biggest challenges that e*thirteen have faced over the years have always been internal, running an entirely USA based manufacturing and assembly operation is a lot of work, especially in an industry where all of the competing products are made overseas at a lower cost. Weve stuck to our roots though and Im proud to say that the majority of all e*thirteen parts are still Made in the USA. Merging with the Hive is really going to make e*thirteen much stronger. Though e*thirteen has always had success developing innovative ideas, weve struggled to get them to market in a timely fashion. Weve always put a great emphasis on proving product performance through racing and learning, as well as dedicated customer service, but truthfully weve never had any kind of proper marketing initiative. The Hives management, manufacturing, and marketing experience are second to none in cycling, and exactly the areas in which e*thirteen always could have benefited from improvement. Ive gotten to spend over a year on their fifteen.G cranks and I can say from personal experience that they are a legitimate piece of kit. They mate up perfectly with e*thirteens existing chain retention products, and the thought of being able to get an e*thirteen chain retention system in the same box with a lightweight, stiff, and strong set of cranks that you know will fit up perfectly and easily every time is just awesome. I am completely stoked to be able to sit back and see the Hive guys really take e*thirteen to the next level. Its going to be awesome to watch.
I want to pass on a heartfelt thank you to all of the people and riders who have helped make e*thirteen what it is today. It never, ever would have been possible without the countless and selfless contributions of so many of you. Thanks, and see you on the trails!
- Dave Weagle
That's high praise and I appreciate it, but honestly man, I've got to be the worst salesman/marketer in the bike business.a good friend of mine once said "dw is the best salesman engineer in the bike business..."
true, isn't it?
Maybe it's because these silly things called "facts" keep getting my mind all twisted up but I just can't bring myself to make some crap up and send it out there hoping for the best. All I feel comfortable with is putting the facts out there and that tends to evoke some crazy responses from people at times. Believe me dude, I am NOT doing it right when it comes to either salesmanship or marketing. There are thousands of people doing it way better and I am OK with that.
you're a piece of work yourself
Nah, just the whole bike industry cracks me up, constantly. e-13 in particular. It has sorta this apple/steve jobs fan-boi thing going on (That's a compliment to you I think?). And I just find it REALLY hilarious. I feel like there needs to be a little balance on these forums to the people constantly e-jerking you off.
I wish I could meet you though, oh boy do I! Trust me, if the stars cross someday, and I run into you at an event or a race or something I'll identify myself. Just look for the 6'7" ginger.
<3.Trust me, you have NO idea.
Edit: It's funny how my posts that piss people off the most, also get the most positive rep. RM must be a very polarized community
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Seriously whats the problem with e13? Their guides are one of the lightest and work great. They were one of the first companies with light guides (not the boat anchors of the old). Of course some of the older products also worked but most of them were twice the weight of the lg1. I think the apple comparison is unjustified. Where apple buys / copies new interesting ideas (ipod 5.5gen was a rebadged rio carma with video, same for many more ideas that were there before, just not marketed well enough) e13 has pust many interesting ideas into the chain device market (taco, the turbocharger guide, the lower pulley). Its not that other cgs dont work, simply e13 was influencial. I dont see why you bash the company only because your old school cg works. Mine also did but I will be the first to say that e13 cgs had some serious advantages over them.
I admit it even though I prefer my straitline guide but I chose it because I wanted a more burly backplate and Im pretty sure that unless Id be unlucky I was overreacting and would be as happy with an srs+.
I admit it even though I prefer my straitline guide but I chose it because I wanted a more burly backplate and Im pretty sure that unless Id be unlucky I was overreacting and would be as happy with an srs+.