FTW industries fb10
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I like the design looks good but the rear is a little odd looking...
Really like the front triangle alot looks good and flows really well....
Disclaimer: In no way am I ?ning FTW's skills and or designs at all... FTWs got skills and TONS of experience... Just an observation.
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Hmm, they emailed me that picture on Tuesday. One more week.....
Nothing like FTW tortured aluminum...
Im anxious to see one built up I think it will look pretty sick built up.... And or with PC/ANO whichever they decide...
Gem2k do you have one on order???
Gem2k do you have one on order???
well then... nice nice
Get mine in a little over 1 week! Unfortunately, will have to race Mt. Snow on the old bike...
picture....upper right
exhaust manifold gasket for GM big block?
exhaust manifold gasket for GM big block?
Front tri looks a lot more R9-esque. I'm with that.
It's not pointless. I'd tell you the engineering reasons, but you cry too much to hear anyways.
Bent straight gauge tubing = win. Bent up monocoque = not really.
He's also trying to just go all-out with the production aesthetics on this frame. Check one out up close in person if you ever have the chance, and look at the little details...
He's also trying to just go all-out with the production aesthetics on this frame. Check one out up close in person if you ever have the chance, and look at the little details...
Oh yes, and XL, and trust me, the build planned for this bike is gonna BLOW PEOPLE AWAY. They only do PC, no anno, and the PC this is getting combined with the build, well it's gonna "haunt you from beyond the grave" as hacktastic has said. Hmmmm, 7 pound indestructible race frame...so hot.
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ZOMFG!!! It looks sorta kinda but not really similar to multiple single pivot bikes!!!!! Identical except for the BB area, shock mount, seat tube, headtube, bent top tube, rear wheel dropouts, etc.
Thats stupid light ought to be a VERY light build... Anxious man so hurry the hell up.... Like the fact its XL as well bout time they start making stuff big enough for us bigger guys. Glad the brothers made a XL Jedi this year...
Congrats and definently looking forward to the build!
I dont know I see the similarities they both have cranks, 2 wheels, shock, fork, bars, stem and you sit on them Id say thats pretty spot on!
ZOMFG!!! It looks sorta kinda but not really similar to multiple single pivot bikes!!!!! Identical except for the BB area, shock mount, seat tube, headtube, bent top tube, rear wheel dropouts, etc.
It's actually not gonna be a SUPER light build. It's still gonna have first gen Saints on it and such. Shooting for under 40 though. It is gonna have a spare suspension setup (extra fork and shock) and one is significantly heavier than the other. So we'll see.
Enlighten me.
I see an old style Mongoose, the one that had the cool(idea)adjustable shock trunion to adjust BB/head angle etc. This looks like it'll have a shuttle for the front shock mount, so same thing I guess.
Doesn't do much for me in the suspension style, I'm sure the quality is good, hope it's lighter than an old Turner, otherwise, what's the benefit over one?
Doesn't do much for me in the suspension style, I'm sure the quality is good, hope it's lighter than an old Turner, otherwise, what's the benefit over one?
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Must be an east coast thing, but I loved my R9. It is/was a tank, though and sometimes tough to steer. I think of the FB10 as an updated version of it, but modernized via lighter weight, shorter wheelbase and slacker head angle.
Message from FTW: "I got the first round done. The shop is a mess, machines broken but we made it heat treating yesterday. Heading off again for alignment after installing a new battery cable in about an hour or so.. if you see me broken down, throw something cold at me.."
Message from FTW: "I got the first round done. The shop is a mess, machines broken but we made it heat treating yesterday. Heading off again for alignment after installing a new battery cable in about an hour or so.. if you see me broken down, throw something cold at me.."
Yup I'm the same, just another low pivot single pivot frame, it's light, who cares? Surely a nice axle path will be more beneficial thn a frame that is a pound lighter than a well designed frame.
I don't care for the looks of high chainstays (not just on this bike but on any of them) but I'm sure it will ride well. I'm looking forward to seeing one done and built and hearing more about how it rides.
Yep, XL for me too! Keeping it raw as the day it was born.
I am also expecting a sub 40lb build when it is all said and done.
FTW...FTW!
I am also expecting a sub 40lb build when it is all said and done.
FTW...FTW!
You should have no problem getting below 40lbs. My F-Bomb (predecessor to the FB-10) is 39.5 lbs with a FR build. Saint cranks, Totem coil, Vivid coil and straight gauge spoked wheels. You should easily be under 38 with a race build.
That said why all the haters? "OMG it looks like a __________". Every bike LOOKS like another bike one some ways. I can guarantee that the FB-10 will not ride like a Mongoose. I can only speak for my F Bomb, but it is the best SP frame I have ridden. Rear end as is stiff as a porn star on Viagra, frame is super light yet extremely well built, geometry is absolutely perfect and is backed by a person who has been welding bikes for nearly 30 years. Not to mention the awesome welds that Frank lays down to go with his signature gusseting.
would not be surprised seeing builds well under 40.
everyone says R9's were tanks, but mine is sitting a hair under 40 with out much effort.
everyone says R9's were tanks, but mine is sitting a hair under 40 with out much effort.
Ya, I don't get that either. They're not super light, but certainly no tanks. About average, like 9-10lbs w/o shock if I remember correctly. Maybe people just aren't used to a bike of that weight being more or less indestructible.
Whats the leverage curve like?
11.5# with shock and steel spring for the R9.
Look at the weights of the Commencal and Intense frames in comparison.
3# lighter for this new frame.
I will have #1 off the line at mount snow!
no linkage, so it's pretty easy to roughly plot the leverage curve.
Im with you on this. Don't really care for frame weight that much lately as long as its not more than ~5kg with shock you will get the bike to the 37-40 area with very strong parts so what is more important for me is suspension and geometry. Cant comment on the geo but yeah, even a low pivot with a well thought link would imho suit it better. Though it looks nice.
The biggest complaint about single pivot bikes that I hear has to do with the fact that the suspension tends to stiffen up when braking. Once you learn how to brake properly, you can use it to your advantage. IMO all of the fancy linkages on a number of bikes are great, but can lead to what I would consider lazy riding. A pure single pivot bike is not meant to be a pure plow bike. Some people find this to be a disadvantage or drawback. Then again, plow riding is not what interests me. I prefer to work the bike into good lines rather than to just hang on and mash through. Once you have figured the braking out, you are left with a simple, stiff, reliable, light, responsive ride. When you combine that with the impeccable build quality, bang-on geometry and near indestructability brought by FTW's mastery of frame building, there is not a whole lot to complain about.
Seems to me that if you are looking for a plow bike, look at something like a Jedi. Equally awesome frame, totally different riding style.
Seems to me that if you are looking for a plow bike, look at something like a Jedi. Equally awesome frame, totally different riding style.
Im not really complaining about stiffening at breaking - no problem for me. Rode a bike that did stiffen a lot but I had no problem with it. I simply belive that you can have more control over axlepath and leverage and I was not saying I don't like single pivots. I like sp bikes but a linkage driven sp allows you much more imho.
So in short, your saying you like a bike that doesn't work? Any bike can be set up (poorly) so that it won't be responsive to it's terrain, and skip and buck. The FTW bike would be great on a 4X type track(smooth with big jumps and burms), but not anywhere near as tuneable or benneficial as other bikes on a proper DH track. It will however have steering that gets quicker in corners, lots of people do seem to prefer this,I'm still not sure if it's quicker or just feels quicker.
There is no more straight forward design, doesn't make it right for me, might for others.
Has the weight been confirmed? It looks heavy to me.
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Retard.
I love it when people post their opinion as fact
Sorry fellas, didn't mean to sound like I was preaching facts. Feel free to discuss it. I thought what I was saying was fairly accurate, but I'm on here to learn as much as anything. So please explain how I'm wrong.I love it when people post their opinion as fact
Not saying your wrong...and wasn't singling you out....its your opinion an that makes it right for you, but could be wrong for the next guy.
i think i get the spirit of nsm's comments though. a non linkage sp generally has certain characteristics that may be considered less desirable (ie, brake interaction, falling shock rates), therefore such designs should play on their potential strengths (ie, simplicity, light weight, cheaper cost) to offset such liabilities. in summation, it's up to the individual to determine if the plusses outweigh the minuses.