That has no bearing on it. The axle could be 12' in front of the bike, and attached to any one of the linkage members. It's still a 4 bar.
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I'd like to see what you come up with. I'm thinking something super simple:
Take the FTW Industries logo/font from the blog site and size it to fit along the top chainstay.
How's something like this... a little masking, with classic colors.
Orange
Blue
I'm happy to post the Photoshop document if anyone else would like to play around with the colors. One thing to note, on these mockups, the bb is just a little bit higher than it would be on the real frame... good enough to get a feel for what it will look like.
Orange
Blue
I'm happy to post the Photoshop document if anyone else would like to play around with the colors. One thing to note, on these mockups, the bb is just a little bit higher than it would be on the real frame... good enough to get a feel for what it will look like.
Not bad. I like it.
Nice i like it!
Yes they're still four bars, but as a descriptive term used for Bicycles, we addopted Specializeds(?)speil when they made the Horst link, and have used it ever since. So in bike termnoligy, it is not a 4 bar, it's a faux bar. and anyone with half a clue will describe it as that, so others knw what they're talking about.
Argument for arguments sake. The bike industry has addopted faux bar.
When I order piza, I order a vegaterian with pepperoni, they get what I mean, never had someone say it won't be vegetarian, because it's just a descriptive term.
Is there a more valid argument to be had so you can gain your precious rep power? Kids these days.Yes I know your not kids, twas another play on words.
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The bike industry means fvck all.
Actually only people on the internet would ever know what you mean. In person the listener would just thing you have a speech impediment
them bearings seem a bit small. no?Are these dual ISCG tabs?
LOL, sorry, doing other stuff. Yeah Faux Bar is stupid, and shouldn't have been adopted, but it was, and we're having a debate we should've had over ten years ago. But Faux bar for better or worse is better to use than confusing it all and calling a linkage actuated single pivot a four bar, IMO.
Back to the purple beauty, is that powder coat, or sparkly paint?
PC, I'm pretty sure that's all they do. At least, that was the only option presented to me when I asked if I could get it PC or anno.
So it's ok to purposefully go around saying things that you know are not correct? Seems kind of silly.
It's really not that difficult: It might not be FSR/Horst, but it's still a four bar. And no amount of people saying the wrong thing will change that.
It is not incorrect, it's known in the bike industry as a Faux bar, It is silly, but it's here, and it's easy to use as it's a system in place. Seems silly you can't use what's there. No it's not difficult, the term 4 bar is used for floating rear axle on a virtual pivot or variable pivot, and faux bar is used for single pivots with a linkage driven shock that in general happens to look like a four bar(horst link type), so that people can defferentiate between the two. No need to take it personal, or try to use it to look smart. It's just a term that was addopted, as "single pivot with linkage driven shock that looks like a horst link" is a pain in the arse to write, and no other short descriptive term came up.
You realize that the "faux" refers to the fact that it's not fsr/horst, right? It's still a four bar.
Nothing wrong with calling it faux bar. But I think you are taking an extra step and implying it's not a four bar. IT'S BOTH! Four bar and faux bar. Whacky? Yes, but still true. It is, and no amount of people calling it something else will change that.
And trying to look smart? Dude, I gave up on that years ago.
I'm not saying it's not a "four bar" I'm just saying that to my understanding, the term "four bar" generally is identified as meaning bike frame 1 bar, with two bars connecting to the 4th bar that has the axle on it. and so everyone knows they're on the same page, it's mostly accepted as the norm. While "faux bar" is known as a "Horst Link" look alike but is actuallly a single pivot with linkage driven shock.
The difference is that when describing bike suspension, most people are refering to how many pivots are used between rear axle, and main pivot. And not referring to the whole design as it were, as what's happening between pivot and rear axle is what people mainly want to know, as any format of any linkages to drive the shock, can all have similer outcomes, so that it's not nessacery to describe what's driving the shock in the suspensions descriptive term when brake affects and chain affects and wheel path are what most people are concerned with when describing the suspension(as far as pivot locations are concerned). Adding terms like rearward axle path, pivot height, shock ramping, and leverage rates are usuallly used to express other character traits, like linkages used for shock and wheel path(single pivot location).
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Thanks man
Are those images with a small frame? Would you be able to do the same with the other sizes easily?Thanks man
Hmm... it would take some time. The idea was more to show you what alternate color and logo placements would look like. The size of the frame shouldn't change that.
Oh I know, but you can still get a better feel for the lines of the bike all built up. Just wondering if you pulled the image from Franks page with the rest of the frame sizes next to it.
I grabbed the frame from frank's blog, but did quite a bit of work to get the components in there and looking like a real bike, so doing it for another frame size isn't really in the cards at the moment.
I linked the photoshop document up above if you're handy with photoshop and want to give it a stab.
Nevermind actually, just looked at the gusset and that's a medium frame. That's what I was looking for.
heres one have way done.
btw the pink is ugly as **** and i love it. lol
btw the pink is ugly as **** and i love it. lol
Wow Don, that is FUGLY! I like it! 
aaahahahahahahah!! perfect!The stickers look much better on this one but it looks like a very fat person sat on it and bent it
This one definitely looks better. I think the painted rear triangle work better than the polished. The stickers however look a bit awkward at this size. Personally, I would go with a head badge and a small ftw somewhere discreet.The stickers look much better on this one but it looks like a very fat person sat on it and bent it
As a rider who's 5' 7" with a LONG torso and super SHORT legs.... (I have, like a 28-29" inseam..)The stickers look much better on this one but it looks like a very fat person sat on it and bent it
I'm ALL ABOUT the standover!
This thing ROCKS!
Is that Hutch Trick Star pink? with that blue ano to compliment it, it's taking me back to my BMX days..... NICE!Wow Don, that is FUGLY! I like it!
I get you. Im fortunately a bit higher with rather long legs so standover was never and issue and Im free to bitch about bent top tubesAs a rider who's 5' 7" with a LONG torso and super SHORT legs.... (I have, like a 28-29" inseam..)
I'm ALL ABOUT the standover!
This thing ROCKS!
Semms like the fb is a bike for people who cant find a good fit for other frames (low standover but also taller people in the xl size if I remember correctly). Pretty nice considering you dont want to order a custom sized nicolai
Post up some as-built geometry Don!
Some numbers emailed to me, taken off built bikes:
"Set at it's slackest, with a 3" stroke rear shock (full 9" travel) head angle for all sizes is 63 degrees, and bottom bracket height is 13.5" You can achieve a steeper head angle and higher bottom bracket in two other settings with a 3" shock. There are also 3 adjustments for a 2" shock to set it up as a 6" bike, while maintaining similar head angles and BB heights.
for small: wheel base is 46.5"
medium: 47.5"
large: 48.5"
X large (custom, no more planned unless needed): 50" "
Taken off the FTW Industries blog:
"Max's bike is assembled with a 09 Boxxer and Rocco shock. I took some measurements (it's a medium) and here is what we have. With the fork slammed on flat crowns and the steepest of the three positions being used on the shuttle the head angle is 65.5 degrees and the BB rise is 1" (13.5 tire radius +1"= 14.5" at full top. The chainstays are 17.4" and the wheelbase is 47.25
If you were use the slackest shuttle position with a slammed fork you would get 1.5 degrees slacker head angle at 64 degrees. sliding the fork out of the crowns a bit can get you out to about 60 degrees if so desired. I will likely make another batch of shuttles with one degree of adjustment per position. We will also make one for shorter shocks though you may be able to use this one reversed with a 8.5" shock for 7.5 of travel. Once the main shape is done variations of that is easy.
I didn't ride it myself (smashed the crap out of my hand last Saturday) but Max and Becky reported back that the bike was quick and initial set-up of the shock was straight-forward. I watched Max do several sprints and the bike accelerated very quickly and without bobbing.
Becky raced last weekend and claimed to have amazing speed on the bike through the BMX type obstacles. I am stoked because i pushed the pivot as high as I could to produce the best shock rate available to a linkage-less design. Again with sub 8 lbs frame weight and nearly zero suspension drag This means combined with the very low unsprung weight and neutral pivot the bike will require only minimal damping and have wicked fast suspension acceleration to keep the wheels on the ground. This will improve traction (specially in corners) and reduce the likelihood of punctures and wheel damage."
Pictured below is the frame/bike they are referring to:
"Set at it's slackest, with a 3" stroke rear shock (full 9" travel) head angle for all sizes is 63 degrees, and bottom bracket height is 13.5" You can achieve a steeper head angle and higher bottom bracket in two other settings with a 3" shock. There are also 3 adjustments for a 2" shock to set it up as a 6" bike, while maintaining similar head angles and BB heights.
for small: wheel base is 46.5"
medium: 47.5"
large: 48.5"
X large (custom, no more planned unless needed): 50" "
Taken off the FTW Industries blog:
"Max's bike is assembled with a 09 Boxxer and Rocco shock. I took some measurements (it's a medium) and here is what we have. With the fork slammed on flat crowns and the steepest of the three positions being used on the shuttle the head angle is 65.5 degrees and the BB rise is 1" (13.5 tire radius +1"= 14.5" at full top. The chainstays are 17.4" and the wheelbase is 47.25
If you were use the slackest shuttle position with a slammed fork you would get 1.5 degrees slacker head angle at 64 degrees. sliding the fork out of the crowns a bit can get you out to about 60 degrees if so desired. I will likely make another batch of shuttles with one degree of adjustment per position. We will also make one for shorter shocks though you may be able to use this one reversed with a 8.5" shock for 7.5 of travel. Once the main shape is done variations of that is easy.
I didn't ride it myself (smashed the crap out of my hand last Saturday) but Max and Becky reported back that the bike was quick and initial set-up of the shock was straight-forward. I watched Max do several sprints and the bike accelerated very quickly and without bobbing.
Becky raced last weekend and claimed to have amazing speed on the bike through the BMX type obstacles. I am stoked because i pushed the pivot as high as I could to produce the best shock rate available to a linkage-less design. Again with sub 8 lbs frame weight and nearly zero suspension drag This means combined with the very low unsprung weight and neutral pivot the bike will require only minimal damping and have wicked fast suspension acceleration to keep the wheels on the ground. This will improve traction (specially in corners) and reduce the likelihood of punctures and wheel damage."
Pictured below is the frame/bike they are referring to:
Now we are talking!
This one looks really nice to me!
This one looks really nice to me!
So horny....can't wait till next week.
That one yours?
I suspect that the raw one at the beginning of the thread might be mine.
I suspect that the raw one at the beginning of the thread might be mine.
No no. Mine will....ruin your life. And the lives of all who gaze upon it. Start preparing your eyes and mind NOW.
Are you getting custom graphics from the guys who did this?
I really hope you post pics when you get yours all done. All this hyperbole has successfully gotten me curious.