if you have lived in aurora....you wouldn't be surprised.Really? This doesn't surpise you? So you think everyone in CO is capable of this?
That's the sound of Freedom®! If you don't like it go back to Russia!i can remember a quiet night on the porch at my apartment in aurora....only to be disturbed by gunfire at the aurora mall...
good times....
That's the sound of Freedom®! If you don't like it go back to Russia!
I'm not an alarmist. I live in a country where it is harder to get guns. Effect - we had NO massacres that I can remember and when they show criminal arsenals they look worse than a regular gun collection in US. There have been some instances in Europe but overall gun violence is much more rare. It's a simple equation - there is a certain chance a crazy person will get a gun. More guns = bigger chance he will get a gun. Not to mention a gun culture means guns kinda come to mind easier.I'd just like to point out to alarmists like norbar that the other 67 million (or so) people that own guns in the US managed not to murder groups of people yesterday.
Maybe it would have played out like the old timer in the internet cafe in FL. Maybe it would have been a **** show. All we know is how it actually went, and that's all that matters.
Doesn't matter if you're pro gun or anti gun, there's going to be a whole lot of people playing Monday morning quarterback the next few days. The main thing they have in common is that they weren't there, and have no clue what they're talking about.
This. I live in Denver by Cherry Creek which is close enough to Aurora for my liking.if you have lived in aurora....you wouldn't be surprised.
Hannafords probably has tin foil on sale if you need more.If it wasn't a gun, it would've been a knife, or a can of gas and a lighter, or a pipe bomb.
At this point in the US, further restricting gun ownership will not solve anything. It will only tip the balance of power in favor of those who choose to disobey the law.
When was the last time you heard about knife massacre with dozens of people killed by one untrained knife enthusiastIf it wasn't a gun, it would've been a knife
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-officer-fatally-shoots-knife-wielding-man-on-3570051.phpWhen was the last time you heard about knife massacre with dozens of people killed by one untrained knife enthusiast
Ever tried to knife 64 people ? (14 killed and 50 wounded) Burn the place and still more people would have ran.If it wasn't a gun, it would've been a knife, or a can of gas and a lighter, or a pipe bomb.
At this point in the US, further restricting gun ownership will not solve anything. It will only tip the balance of power in favor of those who choose to disobey the law.
I'm not allowed in there anymore after the last time...Hannafords probably has tin foil on sale if you need more.
So you want to infringe upon my rights because other people can't obey the law? Criminals are going to do what they want, regardless of the law. That's why we call them criminals.According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -
a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%
Assholes. That's who.As an aside, who the hell takes a 3-month old to a midnight screening of Batman?
but you have to admit it....colfax near the ogden/bluebird can be awesome at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning...This. I live in Denver by Cherry Creek which is close enough to Aurora for my liking.
He's deluded. Reality doesn't support his delusion:Ever tried to knife 64 people ? (14 killed and 50 wounded) Burn the place and still more people would have ran.
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As for your multi murder example - it is just really bad. It was a family murder. The gun would have prevented nothing. Try to have a spree in the street and people will just run from you or beat you up. If you compare a knife to a gun you are just deluded.
You rely on weak ad-hominem arguments, I counter with crime statistics:He's deluded. Reality doesn't support his delusion:
68% of US murders in 2010 were from firearms and 13% were from knives.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
If knives were effective, law enforcement could save a lot of money by switching to knifes. They aren't.
From here: http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323In or about 2006, there were about 60 million people in the UK as a whole, including Scotland.
In England and Wales alone — discounting Scotland — there were over 163 thousand knife crimes.
By the end of 2006, there were more than 300 million people in the US as a whole.
In the US as a whole, there were fewer than 400 thousand gun crimes.
In the UK, based on these numbers, there was one knife crime commited for every 374 people (rounded down).
In the US, based on these numbers, there was one gun crime committed for every 750 people — less than half a gun crime per 374 people (about 0.4987 gun crimes per 374 people, actually).
That means that, based on these statistics, you are more than twice as likely to be a victim of knife crime in the UK as you are to be a victim of gun crime in the US.
And I like how you speculate and purposefully neglect Switzerland in your stilted biased argument. You also didn't mention Slovakia, #7 in the world for homicides involving guns.
Do you realize that the US is pretty much the same size as the entirety of Europe? I think a better comparison would be state by state.
That's how the law works buddy. I love the libertarian mind. Mandatory bike helmets and seat belts are also infringing on your rights, same for those evil vaccines.So you want to infringe upon my rights because other people can't obey the law?
Go pound sand.
I used crime statistics same as you only I used them for the US because we are talking about the US, not the UK so again you are deluded. The title of my source is "Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data". Knives are not as effective, end of story. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.You rely on weak ad-hominem arguments, I counter with crime statistics:
So when you run out of arguments you just say you are offended and other people arguments are weak? If my arguments are slippery slope than SHOW ME. Because without disproving them you can as well call them electic dragon 80000V arguments and the meaning will be the same as in None.For norbar:
I was citing statistics on murders with firearms from the following source, but keep going with the ad-hominem attacks and slippery slope arguments; it's really showing how strong your argument is, and it might actually make me change my mind.
testifybut you have to admit it....colfax near the ogden/bluebird can be awesome at 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning...
you've never struggled with joint custody, i take itAs an aside, who the hell takes a 3-month old to a midnight screening of Batman?
struggle??? find a fcuking babysitter (because opening date is known months in advance) or accept that you can't always do what the fcuk you want because the responsibility of caring for a child takes precedence.you've never struggled with joint custody, i take it
It's a nice excuse and an easy way out. Since you decided you will not be convinced because you treat guns like religion you instantenously claimed I do the same just because you have crappy arguments that wouldn't convince a drugged moron? With a strong argument I have no problem being convinced that more guns = good. I'm not an american, I don't come from a country with a strong pro or anti gun culture and to be honest I don't really care about guns. It's fun to go to the range sometimes. I have no stake in the whole gun thing. I just like to feel safe.I haven't run out of arguments, I've run out of time and patience. You're not going to change my mind, and I'm not going to change yours regardless of the facts and statistics either of us present.
i know that.struggle??? find a fcuking babysitter (because opening date is known months in advance) or accept that you can't always do what the fcuk you want because the responsibility of caring for a child takes precedence.
CNN reported that a 3-month old was among the injured...not that this is significantly any better.i am sadden that a life that young was needlessly lost. as for the parents...nothing but hate for you, MFers.