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The latest version of the PINION P1.18 gearbox-mount chain tensioner:
ИICOLAI Helius AM PINION P1.18
ИICOLAI Helius AM PINION P1.18
oh... this looks rather awesome... except for the non standard cranks... :/ i want one!
That photo was taken in "Jardín de Kalle" resp. his HQ at Lübbrechtsen/Lower Saxony.
Those frames will become really lucky facing their mating with the much-anticipated gearbox units will be reality now!
Posted today at FB.
Sweet, Alutech should have their order too, so mine will be coming soon, WOOT!
You get symetrical flange spacig with a 135 single speed hub anyway.
no skid marks,
ALUTECH relaesed a news update today. They received the first PINION gearboxes by this time and will finish and ship the first Fanes PINION frames as well as complete bikes soon after EuroBike 2012 resp. in September.
Cheers
Putting a chain tensioner there seems like such an awesome idea
Damn, can't see my Blue one in the box. September. F#@* that. Not sure who's dragging the chain, but that's a rediculous wait. Pinion need to get their sh!t in gear. I should've got a Nicolai, very similer but they seem to have their bikes good to go now. Waiting sucks balls.no skid marks,
ALUTECH relaesed a news update today. They received the first PINION gearboxes by this time and will finish and ship the first Fanes PINION frames as well as complete bikes soon after EuroBike 2012 resp. in September.
Cheers
So I am stoked on the pinion gearbox in general, and that last bike looks absolutely sick, but that tensioner looks horrible. Really defeating some of the key benefits of gearboxes in general. First jump cased, or ride over a log, and that thing is toast. Also, with a spring-loaded tensioner, the chain is still very likely to derail at either cog or chainring. Need some delrin guides at least to direct the chain.
Sure this is armchair engineering from me, but these look like very large oversights.
....plus I'll bite my tongue about the gripshifter.
Otherwise, very stoked to see these coming together, especially that DH rig.
Maybe if it was mounted the same way, but on a longer arm, so that the pulleys were inside the rear wheel's radius. That way they'd be somewhat more protected.
time to sell my car so I can buy one of these! too bad that is the only way I could actually get one right now.
the Ion reminds me of a knolly.
need to extend the chain tension-er bracket so the pulley's are protected by the rear wheel. short chainstays would help too.
the Ion reminds me of a knolly.
need to extend the chain tension-er bracket so the pulley's are protected by the rear wheel. short chainstays would help too.
It's not just that the Nicolai is set with the chain too long? You'd think there would only be 10mm or so chain growth sou you should be able to pull that second roller up some, as it is there you'd think a good sized flying rock could slacken the chain enough for it to fall off.
It's German, it must be user error.
It's German, it must be user error.
Th tensioner goes backwards if you hit it. And the chainring is probably only a 32, so it looks lower than it is. I very much doubt it'd get damaged. But yeah, could be a better design, top roller could maybe be higher, arm shorter, and chain shorter.
the bike has been put together just for the pic, chain is still too long same goes for the the steerertube of the fork and the brake hoses.
still i did not know they even build the ion with a pinion box rather interesting bike.
still i did not know they even build the ion with a pinion box rather interesting bike.
Those brakes are TR!CKStuff´s "The Cleg 4 Mk II".
It looks much betterHere comes a more proper chain set-up of the green anodized "Helius AM". In contrast to the rather provisionally built-up "Ion 18" the lower pulley of the chain tensioner seems to be quite good protected.
Nevertheless it looks weird.
Weight weenie stuff? ;>
Sort of ...
Falco MILLE (PINION brand communication):
"The cable length that is needed to shift 18 gears in a row does not allow a common thumb shifter design. We are aware that many riders (including myself) are averse to grip shifters, as we might know them from some bad riding experience back in the nineties. So we really put some effort in designing a better grip shifter, excluding the known disadvantages. May be you give it a try. Besides we are working on an alternative solution. Hydraulic, mechanical or electric we are checking all options."
"We are checking different shifter options, also for future gear boxes with less gears, but by now it's too early to publish any forecasts. We've not done any research on automatic shifting."
(Neutral position) ; (Downshift) ; (Upshift)
In addition to it I´m curious if the PINION P1.18 would work with a tweaked MITTELMEYER trigger shifter.
I understand that to shift 18 gears requires quite a bit of cable but surely the cable could pass through the shifter and go in to a plastic flex tube or similar. The shifter would need multiple points to bite on to but something like old car electric window mechs would work.
It's late and I'm trying to be an eEngineer, bad move.
It's late and I'm trying to be an eEngineer, bad move.
Good to see the Roox Rollercoaster making a comeback
Like a rear derailleur? 
Looks like they just moved it forward about 17".
Looks like they just moved it forward about 17".
Grip shift should suit the close ratio 18 speed gearbox well. Multiple shifts fats in one movement. I doubt it will bother me. I'm even going to try a twit shifter on my Zerode.
It's not like with a mech if you do mis shift(which you don't)you don't have to grind through any sh!t, it's just in a different gear.
Set up inboard so your hand just touches it. they work fine from my experience with Rohloff, and Nuvinci.
Pionio, if you go electric, for Gods sake, just put one button on each side for up and down. Maybe two, the second one is for double gear shifts.
It's not like with a mech if you do mis shift(which you don't)you don't have to grind through any sh!t, it's just in a different gear.
Set up inboard so your hand just touches it. they work fine from my experience with Rohloff, and Nuvinci.
Pionio, if you go electric, for Gods sake, just put one button on each side for up and down. Maybe two, the second one is for double gear shifts.
I've been asking the same question...I don't think an American distributor/dealer currently exists...
I've even emailed Nicolai directly 2 wks ago but no one has responded to my multiple emails - which is pretty sh!tty if you ask me as I'm contacting them to buy one of their products
Only luck I've had is finding a UK distributor but that means crazy high customs fees on top of an already super expensive frame.
Anyone have info on how one of us 'Mericanzzz can get hold of one of these without having to order from abroad?
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no idea about the distributor
but have a look here
http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=137
this mb is frequented by some of the nicolai staff
or try vinc@nicolai.net he is the sales guy and taking care of dealers and distributors.
or call +49-5185-60266-18
good luck
EDIT: Eurobike is around the corner, maybe they are really busy. still seems odd to not reply at all.
but have a look here
http://www.mtb-news.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=137
this mb is frequented by some of the nicolai staff
or try vinc@nicolai.net he is the sales guy and taking care of dealers and distributors.
or call +49-5185-60266-18
good luck
EDIT: Eurobike is around the corner, maybe they are really busy. still seems odd to not reply at all.
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Wow seems odd, I received immediate replies when I had to order new dropouts for my frame. Also it is way cheaper for me to get pivot bearings from Nicolai than to get them at trade price from a supplier in Australia.
i dont think ive noticed any flexiness in any brake ive owned
i didnt think you could use a gripshift with the Alfine
Nexus one works I'm pretty sure.