Does that have any relevance whatsoever to this thread? Beat it with the stupid comments.sunday...
I cant find it on there site...
and, what do you think about the faith vs the sunday?
.....Does that have any relevance whatsoever to this thread? Beat it with the stupid comments.
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I cant find it on there site...
and, what do you think about the faith vs the sunday?
The faith is an awesome DH bike. If you're on a budget it is the best you will find in my opinion. The frame weighs about 12.5 pounds for a medium. So it is a little heavy but the sunday isn't much lighter and people never complain about the weight on those. Giant was trying to market the bike as a FR bike. The links have a hole drilled in them for the shock mount and the hole is off center. Giant put them in the position (offset closer to frame) to give the bike a "FR" type geometry and feel. But once Amiel Cavalier's mechanics flipped the links on his faith and he won junior worlds on it the "secret" kind of got out. Once people started flipping the links they realised it is a great race bike.I would love to hear more opinions about Faiths. Is the Faith a good DH bike? Isn`t it too heavy? Why didn`t Giant design the bike with the links "properly" flipped? And if it is so damn good why did Giant stop making them only after a few years?
The faith is an awesome DH bike. If you're on a budget it is the best you will find in my opinion. The frame weighs about 12.5 pounds for a medium. So it is a little heavy but the sunday isn't much lighter and people never complain about the weight on those. Giant was trying to market the bike as a FR bike. The links have a hole drilled in them for the shock mount and the hole is off center. Giant put them in the position (offset closer to frame) to give the bike a "FR" type geometry and feel. But once Amiel Cavalier's mechanics flipped the links on his faith and he won junior worlds on it the "secret" kind of got out. Once people started flipping the links they realised it is a great race bike.
My theory on why giant stopped making them is that the bikes were cutting into the sales of their glory (which was marketed for DH). But with flipped links the faith has awesome geometry, and the geometry on the glory is kind of wack. So obviously people are going to go for the cheaper, lower, slacker, lighter bike.
you should do a search but Il'll make it easy...should the rear shock have to be treated like the shock on the sunday? (revalve?)
and, do you have apicture of a faith with the link fliped?
No. The faith gets 8.25 inches of travel from a 2.75 inch stroke shock. That means it has a 3:1 overall leverage ratio which is what most shocks come tuned for from their manufacturer's.should the rear shock have to be treated like the shock on the sunday? (revalve?)
and, do you have apicture of a faith with the link fliped?
My large was 12.4 with a steel spring dhx on a digi scale...complete will be about 40.75 for next year.The faith is an awesome DH bike. If you're on a budget it is the best you will find in my opinion. The frame weighs about 12.5 pounds for a medium. .
So it's lighter than I posted, which is even better. The weight isn't a big deal, it's centered well and the bike rides great. The faith makes much more sense than the glory. The faith should have been the DH bike and the reign x should have been the FR bike. The glory's have some stupid geometry and are just plain heavy.My large was 12.4 with a steel spring dhx on a digi scale...complete will be about 40.75 for next year.
Its too bad that giant discontinued them, I really like mine. But from giants perspective, the bike didnt really make sense in their line up with the glory available. Theyve now got the glory 8, which is seemingly a "freeride bike" also known as a downhill bike with bad geometry. Also they have the ~7'' travel reign x bike which seems much more reasonable then the glory 8. Great geometry, much lighter and just as capable.
I think Giant is on to something there! Wouldn`t being ugly make a great theft deterrent?I reckon they canned the Faith simply because it's ugly, no other reason.
I think Giant is on to something there! Wouldn`t being ugly make a great theft deterrent?
mine got stolen
Damn that must have sucked. What model and what year? Faiths are easy to spot so I hope you find the guy who took it.dcamp29 said:mine got stolen
The glory has a 65.5 degree HA with a 14.75 inch BB height and a WB of 44.6 inches on the small.What's wrong with the Glory's geometry bballe? Give us some figures.
I reckon they canned the Faith simply because it's ugly, no other reason.
The stock BB on a faith is still a half inch lower than on the glory. The faith rides optimally with 3-3.5 inches of sag. The glory rides optimally with 4-4.5. It rides an inch deeper into the travel but also has that extra inch. Plain and simple the faith is lower, slacker, lighter, and cheaper. And that's what racers want.The Faith and the Glory ride very differently so it is not as simple as comparing the geometry. Assuming both are ridden with similarly tuned DHX's, the Glory will ride deeper into its travel, and the Faith will ride higher. The Glory (stock) is lower, has better seatpost adjustment and is stiffer. The Glory has some small detail improvements over the Faith as well. The axle system is similar, but easier to use and stiffer. And, yes, the Faith was ugly.
Don`t worry I own a Faith 1 '06 and I call mine ugly all the time. I mean it in a good way.stop callin my bike ugly. making it sad
often times i have the same opinion, but stop making such broad generalizations. people think differently than you.Plain and simple the faith is lower, slacker, lighter, and cheaper. And that's what racers want.
The Faith and the Glory ride very differently so it is not as simple as comparing the geometry. Assuming both are ridden with similarly tuned DHX's, the Glory will ride deeper into its travel, and the Faith will ride higher. The Glory (stock) is lower, has better seatpost adjustment and is stiffer. The Glory has some small detail improvements over the Faith as well. The axle system is similar, but easier to use and stiffer. And, yes, the Faith was ugly.
I really can't say I know any racers that want a steeper, heavier, higher bike that costs more than their other option. The vast majority of racers would rather have a lower, lighter, slacker, cheaper bike. Maybe I should have have said majority and not all. But I really can't think of anyone who is trying to make their bike steeper or taller.often times i have the same opinion, but stop making such broad generalizations. people think differently than you.
You must realize that the basis for your argument is flawed. If you have a .5 degree difference in static HA, then account for the difference in travel between the 2 bikes, the Glory is obviously going to be slacker at 30% sag. The BB may still be a bit higher on the Glory, but well within an acceptable range. The fact is that the Faith was designed by Giant to be a FR bike and the fact that you can flip the links is like exploiting a bug in a piece of software - it was not intended by the designers. I hardly think it was Giant's best selling gravity bike as it was only around a couple of years and I've certainly seen more DH Teams around.But I really can't think of anyone who is trying to make their bike steeper or taller.