So, 09 Giant Glory DH or 09 Specialized Demo 8? Ride at Diablo.
Giant Glory or Specialized Demo?
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DEMO glory is good and all. but demo is a gift from above.
demo definataly.
are you seriously going to hyjack someones thread to make a point that you feel like being "that guy" who carries stuff on.
but anyway, sorry about that double post.
but anyway, sorry about that double post.
I for one, sir, salute your efforts!
Another vote for Demo, ive got one and love it.
Haha I love how just one year ago Demo's were constantly bashed for this that and the other thing that was wrong with them.
Now that SOMEBODY is riding one, they have mysteriously transformed into the unanimous favorite. haha
Oh and my vote is demo too. But that's cause I've had mine for almost 3 years and love it. I know some of you other dudes have had them for a while too, but its funny.
Now that SOMEBODY is riding one, they have mysteriously transformed into the unanimous favorite. haha
Oh and my vote is demo too. But that's cause I've had mine for almost 3 years and love it. I know some of you other dudes have had them for a while too, but its funny.
I've never seen so much pro-demo sentiment. Did they dump the so-many-extra-tube design of the last 5 years and I somehow missed it? Tell me they switched over to DW link. 
With almost no changes on the design the demo came from a "****y freeride bike" to a "full on race bike from God", hahahahaha
The only thing that changed is Sam Hill riding it:>
News Flash: It was slack and long since the beginning.
Where are all the Sunday lovers....oh yeah...riding Demos:>
The only thing that changed is Sam Hill riding it:>
News Flash: It was slack and long since the beginning.
Where are all the Sunday lovers....oh yeah...riding Demos:>
Im glad other people have realized this too. I have owned (and promoted) the Demo for several years now and heard nothing except "its heavy" and "its a huck bike" until this year. But this doesnt change the fact that the demo is indeed a sick race bike.
The demo of old was not quite up to par as a DH race rig. But over the last few years Big S made some tweaks (and dropped the weight) that transformed it into a fast sled. The only problem was no one in the e-world really gave it a chance until Sammy Eyebrows sat on one.I've never seen so much pro-demo sentiment. Did they dump the so-many-extra-tube design of the last 5 years and I somehow missed it? Tell me they switched over to DW link.
The demo has been getting great reviews from the people who actually rode it ever since the latest iteration appeared.
it's all because of the new paint job! which is sick btw, makes me want one :-D
which is sick btw, makes me want one :-D
Ferrari or Lambo? Both are fast and both are great. Really kind of splitting hairs on this one IMO. If I had to decide, a huge factor for me would be which one can I get a better deal on. I know I would enjoy either one of them and at the level most of us are riding at I don't think either bike is going to be the weak link.
We all had the opportunity to e-compare them so we know what's best!
My vote is on the demo btw.
I think that I am going to buy the bike that has the most advertising dollars thrown at it....so this year the best bike ever is going to be the demo...But I don't know I might change my mind and buy a Trek. The have alot of ads too...so they must be good. I don't know...I just can't quite decide...
On a serious note...I hope all of you can put the marketing hype aside and make a decision for yourselves...
On a serious note...I hope all of you can put the marketing hype aside and make a decision for yourselves...
Like giant doesn't advertise
Though I'd be a hard decision for me between the demo and giant. Booth nice price and have features that speak to me though booth are different so the choice should be either light weight or low and slack but heavier. All personal taste.Not everyone loves it - I hear the suspension slows down hugely on square edged hits.
thats all that matters tho right?i just think it looks cooler...
yup! thats about it!
IMO the Demo absolutely slays square edges. It's hardly super heavy these days either. Isn't the team bike 38lb plus pedals out of the box ?
Anyway a degree and a half off the head angle and 1/2"+ off the BB makes it a no brainer.
The original post is comparing the 09 bikes......not the 2010's. I'd prefer the geo of the 09 over the 2010. 64 degrees and 14.5 BB is ideal numbers. 62.5 and 13.75 is just too slack and low. Although I haven't been on the 2010 demo, I love my 2008 which is identical to the 2009.
I do like the lower stack height of the 1.5 integrated headset, and the "no shock shuttle", but the changes in geo are gonna make it ****ty for courses where you have to pedal the bike.IMO
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Specialized-Bikes-2010-Long-Travel-Launch.html
In this article it doesn't mention a change in head angle.
they (Sam and Brendan) run the same 64 deg head tube and short 16.5 chain stays that we've been running for years. The bottom bracket height was the only major revision we did for them. Some minor changes were to the top tube length which we increased by 5 mm on the Medium (Sam) and Large (Brendan), the seat tube angle and position was tweaked so that you can run a non-offset seat post for strength and keep the optimal saddle position at ride height. And the head tube changed to 1.5, as mentioned prior
You run the Monster Team geometry and that's it. Pure, dedicated, fast, race only design.
Or am I missing something that you guys seem to know? In fact with the travel reduction to 8 inches it will be very slightly steeper when sitting in the same sag. It seems the only thing that the Team have which is different is a 150mm back end.
In this article it doesn't mention a change in head angle.
they (Sam and Brendan) run the same 64 deg head tube and short 16.5 chain stays that we've been running for years. The bottom bracket height was the only major revision we did for them. Some minor changes were to the top tube length which we increased by 5 mm on the Medium (Sam) and Large (Brendan), the seat tube angle and position was tweaked so that you can run a non-offset seat post for strength and keep the optimal saddle position at ride height. And the head tube changed to 1.5, as mentioned prior
You run the Monster Team geometry and that's it. Pure, dedicated, fast, race only design.
Or am I missing something that you guys seem to know? In fact with the travel reduction to 8 inches it will be very slightly steeper when sitting in the same sag. It seems the only thing that the Team have which is different is a 150mm back end.
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What about waiting until the 10 glory? mucho revisions and much cheaper. Just a thought, if you're patient.
Otherwise I think I'd pick the glory. They seem to have much success in the amateur racing world...not that the demo has had none, but I feel as though I see more glories.
Why not pick the one that has better geometry for you?
Otherwise I think I'd pick the glory. They seem to have much success in the amateur racing world...not that the demo has had none, but I feel as though I see more glories.
Why not pick the one that has better geometry for you?
I got to demo one of the new glorys. There aren't a whole lot of bikes I've ridden where the head angle of the thing stood out completely on it's own, independent of other geo numbers. The glory did though. Crazy light bike that rides plush but still pops and pumps well.......but for some unholy reason has something like a 66 degree head angle. I have no idea what they were thinking in light of their competition but 'dh race bike' is definitely not descriptive of the feeling I got riding it. It really is too steep in my opinion.
Not really....depends on the bike. Head angles go hand in hand with some other measurements.....mostly top tube/front center measurements. If you're talking about me lowering my fork to 7" on my demo 8, that's because the bike was a little too long in the front end for me and it helped me get over the front tire easier. It still measured out to 64.5-65 degrees.....not exactly steep. When I asked the giant guys doing the demos what the catalog stated the glory HA to be, I think I remember them saying 66.5. That's just not a dh bike these days. Especially since the frames aren't particularly long for a given size.
I rode one of the dw turner dhrs not too long ago with a 63 degree head angle and loved it. Mostly because the front end was shorter than my bike. I don't 'like steepish head angles' as much as I know when a bike feels balanced to me. Just pedaling around on a medium sunday with slacker reducer cups, I felt like I would have liked it even slacker than it was. The medium glory I rode fit me pretty well. The bar/BB layout I really liked. It just really would benefit from raking the front end a bit and maybe adding a little to the wheelbase to do this.
And that's why I said in my first post that I've never really had a bike stand out where the head angle alone stood out in reference to other measurements of a bike. There are very few measurements that don't go hand in hand with others.
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Careful. When I said the same thing after testing it the RM massive got pretty upset.
I have lots of synonyms for that.
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