Ticks? I hate those little buggers. I'm pretty sure we didn't invent those though.BurlyShirley said:What good has oil done for humanity? Sugar? Ticks? Automobiles? Loco? Religion?
You could apply this to anything, really.
sugar, while promoting tooth decay and obesity, does make the medicine go down.BurlyShirley said:What good has oil done for humanity? Sugar? Ticks? Automobiles? Loco? Religion?
You could apply this to anything, really.
Ciaran said:I don't think you're going to get many serious replies to this.
Personally I think that guns should be done away with and we should go back to swords. I imagine that killing somone would be quite different if one had to look the other person in the eyes, and the other person had a chance to defend themselves. (Two things that using a gun can remove from the equation).
But then I don't own a gun and do own many swords (and other medieval implements of death and destruction).
Well sure its good for "a person" but some hippies ive met say its the main problem with the world. Natives died for it, eh?narlus said:sugar, while promoting tooth decay and obesity, does make the medicine go down.
Ciaran said:I don't think you're going to get many serious replies to this.
Ciaran said:Personally I think that guns should be done away with and we should go back to swords. I imagine that killing somone would be quite different if one had to look the other person in the eyes, and the other person had a chance to defend themselves. (Two things that using a gun can remove from the equation). But then I don't own a gun but do own many swords (and other medieval implements of death and destruction).
Oil? Plastic saves lifes bitch.BurlyShirley said:What good has oil done for humanity?
Ok, I thought you meant in terms of total value. In that case, Allied GUNS saved the lives of MILLIONS of jews in WW2. That good enough?chicodude said:Oil? Plastic saves lifes bitch.
Westy said:If I ever had kids the guns would probably get sold or locked away and disabled. Although I think it is important to have kids educated and trained on how to use them just in case they ever get their filthy paws on one they are less likely to do something stupid.
I'd still lock or get rid of the guns. Friend of mine used to break into his fathers guns safe and we would go shooting, did lots of stupid stuff. Same kid was a bad seed and stole a .45 from a neighbors basement, ended up selling it for weed. A classmate of mine also got shot playing with a gun he ripped off from his father's gun safe. Kids are smart, tricky and stupid all at the same time.N8 said:Best thing to do is take your kids to the range and shoot melons or milk just full of water with red dye in them. Show your kids what a round can do.
Then enroll them in a good hunter's safetly class and take it with them.
And where did I say otherwise?N8 said:Riiiight... and there was no shortage of slaughter back in 'the day' either.
People tend to miss the real key in this issue. There are no objects/things that do anything for humanity, period. It's what humanity does with the things to and for it's self. The correct question is "what has humanity done for the good of humanity". Weapons guns, knives, bow & arrows swords, spears,......) are just tools that are often times missused by people. Since people in general live in a state of irresponsible denial most of the time, tools take the blame for the bad choices that many make. Tools do not hurt people, the bad decisions of people do. Guns are tools!chicodude said:Name ONE postitive thing that guns have done for humanity. Just one.
Ciaran said:And where did I say otherwise?
I never said it would lessen the amount of violence, only that it would change the dynamics of it. Think before you type, N8
This is basically true, but guns are one of the only 'tools' ever invented that have literally no other purpose but to kill.evilbob said:People tend to miss the real key in this issue. There are no objects/things that do anything for humanity, period. It's what humanity does with the things to and for it's self. The correct question is "what has humanity done for the good of humanity". Weapons guns, knives, bow & arrows swords, spears,......) are just tools that are often times missused by people. Since people in general live in a state of irresponsible denial most of the time, tools take the blame for the bad choices that many make. Tools do not hurt people, the bad decisions of people do. Guns are tools!
Well they do have nail gunsChangleen said:This is basically true, but guns are one of the only 'tools' ever invented that have literally no other purpose but to kill.
Even a sword has a handy second use as a gardening implement.
So you're trying to say that a bow and arrow is equivelent to a gun?N8 said:Of course there is that who stand-off weapon thing called arrows...
you could prune with a gun if you were good I think the sword was designed with pretty much the same intent as most other weapons. Point is if you can throw rocks accurately they can be deadly, still it takes a human (or monkey) to pick one up and turn it into a weapon, otherwise it just sits were it is doing and hurting nobody and nothing. Maybe the real dangerous weapon is the human brain. Tools are tools just like rocks are rocks until a human decides to do something violent. The human brain is the real weapon all other things are just tools or objects with no destructive purpose.Changleen said:This is basically true, but guns are one of the only 'tools' ever invented that have literally no other purpose but to kill.
Even a sword has a handy second use as a gardening implement.
So swords are just another weapon designed to cause harm but weapons are tools or objects with no destructive purpose. Which one is itevilbob said:you could prune with a gun if you were good I think sword was designed with pretty much the same intent as most other weapons. Point is if you can throw rocks accurately they can be deadly, still it takes a human (or monkey) to pick one up and turn it into a weapon, otherwise it just sits were it is doing and hurting nobody and nothing. Maybe the real dangerous weapon is the human brain. Tools are tools just like rocks are rocks until a human decides to do something violent. The human brain is the real weapon all other things are just tools or objects with no destructive purpose.
Some tools are destructive but untill they get picked up and put to use they have about as much purpose as the rock just laying on the ground. The purpose of an object is part of the decision of a person not the objects choice. An object may by the nature of it's design or form of existance be a dangerous object but generally does nothing untill a person makes a decision that the purpose of that object is to be destructive at a given moment. The ultimate purpose of a given object to be destructive in a given moment does not exist untill a person chooses, there for the object just sit doing nothing. No we are not talking about acts of nature that happen beyound our control. This is maybe just my opinion based on my personal perspective of life, another's perspective may be different.syadasti said:So swords are just another weapon designed to cause harm but weapons are tools or objects with no destructive purpose. Which one is it
Blah blah blah...evilbob said:Some tools are destructive... The ultimate purpose of a given object to be destructive in a given moment does not exist untill a person chooses, there for the object just sit doing nothing.
Mike, interesting thought...but it was also the longbow which ended the feudal era. I mean, normal people couldn't afford the armor and weapons and type of life you needed to train to use them...that was the decisive force on the field, and the exclusive realm of nobility. These nobles in could in turn outfit his people as infantry in various methods...and even still, sometimes your local milita/fyrd was sporting pitchforks and improvised spears/pikes when it appeared.Ciaran said:So you're trying to say that a bow and arrow is equivelent to a gun?
No you're not saying that... I know what you are saying but actually bows and arrows weren't as common as a sword. Arrows cost too much to lose and so the average person would likely not have many, if any at all.
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Westy said:If I ever had kids the guns would probably get sold or locked away and disabled. Although I think it is important to have kids educated and trained on how to use them just in case they ever get their filthy paws on one they are less likely to do something stupid.
No problem with that. What about all the guns in the projects and the peopl who own them? Is a gun safety course going to stop them shooting each other up?jon cross said:Dick enhancers? Maybe for some numb nuts who wants to think of themself as "hard" by buying a Glock. I own several rifles and handguns. When I was at college I was on a shooting team, now I'm a Marine and for obvious reasons, shoot frequently. I enjoy precision rifle marksmanship, as I find it to be relaxing and an amazingly good way to clear my head of the many things happening around me. I like to take my AR out and shoot silhouettes and engage targets under time limits. One of my favorite things to do is to take one of my shotguns out trap shooting. I shoot 3-500 rounds a month, and don't plan on changing that one bit. I think the only problem with some people is irresponsible use, which comes as a result of having no education in proper handling and safety techniques. I am a responsible gun owner and so are all of my friends that shoot. What's the problem with that?
I think that you're mostlycorrect. The longbow had a large (huge) impact but it was not the only thing that ended the feudal era (Nor was feudalism, a modern term, practiced by all european countries during that time period). The battle at Agincourt was the turning point that marked the very end, but don't forget that change had been a long time coming (and I think moreso in England than France). And the longbow had been around for at least 400 years before the English used it on the French . But you are right though... the English that day had the equivelant of an anti tank gun against the French. That was a brutal battle. The English shooting the horses, French knights drowning in mud. The English lost something like 500 men while the French lost something like 10,000. What a slaughter! It pointedly marked the end of the complete dominance of the mounted knight.MikeD said:Mike, interesting thought...but it was also the longbow which ended the feudal era. I mean, normal people couldn't afford the armor and weapons and type of life you needed to train to use them...that was the decisive force on the field, and the exclusive realm of nobility. These nobles in could in turn outfit his people as infantry in various methods...and even still, sometimes your local milita/fyrd was sporting pitchforks and improvised spears/pikes when it appeared.
The longbow gave your average Englishman the equivalent of an anti-tank missile, which he could own and train with relatively cheaply. I mean, let's look at Agincourt, right? And now the average yeoman is more important to the lords, as well as more of a threat...and then things change and we begin entering a more modern era. Guns continued the trend in some ways, and maybe changed it in others. (And now here we are...) Also look at what guns did to Japan's feudal structure.
Interesting note of a military invention totally inverting the power structure of society; might even have some lessons for us today in there vis a vis WMD.
As to guns...hmm. Think I'll decline to engage on this one for now.
MD
jon cross said:Dick enhancers? Maybe for some numb nuts who wants to think of themself as "hard" by buying a Glock. I own several rifles and handguns. When I was at college I was on a shooting team, now I'm a Marine and for obvious reasons, shoot frequently. I enjoy precision rifle marksmanship, as I find it to be relaxing and an amazingly good way to clear my head of the many things happening around me. I like to take my AR out and shoot silhouettes and engage targets under time limits. One of my favorite things to do is to take one of my shotguns out trap shooting. I shoot 3-500 rounds a month, and don't plan on changing that one bit. I think the only problem with some people is irresponsible use, which comes as a result of having no education in proper handling and safety techniques. I am a responsible gun owner and so are all of my friends that shoot. What's the problem with that?
Are gun laws going to stop them, either?Changleen said:No problem with that. What about all the guns in the projects and the peopl who own them? Is a gun safety course going to stop them shooting each other up?