Agreed. The DH sector is such a small market, and they're not even dominating it by any means.I seriously doubt they are worried right now.
Agreed. The DH sector is such a small market, and they're not even dominating it by any means.I seriously doubt they are worried right now.
not really with DH bikes. With Trek's road bikes? Unquestionably yes. But how many people who are buying a hardrock have any idea what a Demo is or who Bearrecloth or Kyle Strait is. Only when you got a super star like Lance does it affect your lower models materially. The only kind of trickle down you're gonna see is when someone who rides a something like a demo or bighit buys a cheap xc hardtail, or a bike for their kid or wife.haven't you understood how flagship models affect the sales of mid range stuff?
Pretty good I'd say.how's that for meaningless speculation with very little to no evidence?
nearly as good as mine!Pretty good I'd say.
not really with DH bikes. With Trek's road bikes? Unquestionably yes. But how many people who are buying a hardrock have any idea what a Demo is or who Bearrecloth or Kyle Strait is. Only when you got a super star like Lance does it affect your lower models materially. The only kind of trickle down you're gonna see is when someone who rides a something like a demo or bighit buys a cheap xc hardtail, or a bike for their kid or wife.
how's that for meaningless speculation with very little to no evidence?
2 words-
Sam
Hill
We probably wouldn't sell a single Iron Horse without him, the only reason IH are back in the game is because of him
I'd say those words are more along the lines of -2 words-
Sam
Hill
We probably wouldn't sell a single Iron Horse without him, the only reason IH are back in the game is because of him
Nope, 4 stroke with lactid acid arrester.anyway -- -back to the Honda. does it come with V-TEC?
Think so? Well I trust you, I've only ever worked in a road shop :'(. And it wasn't a Trek shop so.....whatever. How's NZ these days?2 words-
Sam
Hill
We probably wouldn't sell a single Iron Horse without him, the only reason IH are back in the game is because of him
Well, it may not be casual, but it definitely doesn't hurt I suppose. Johnny, would you say that people who are buying the lower end trailbikes and cheaper dh/fr stuff know who Hill is? Maybe it's just cause youre by OZ. I dunno though.you might want to look this term up in a dictionary
"causal relationship"
and no thats not the same as a chick you bang only when drunk
The people buying cheaper bikes might not know who Hill is but he is still the reason why shops represent Iron Horse bikes waaaay more than 4 years ago. Sam gave Iron Horse alot more respect than they had at that point and because of that, shops will push the whole brand alot moreWell, it may not be casual, but it definitely doesn't hurt I suppose. Johnny, would you say that people who are buying the lower end trailbikes and cheaper dh/fr stuff know who Hill is? Maybe it's just cause youre by OZ. I dunno though.
Only when you got a super doping star like Lance does it affect your lower models materially.
Armstrong is for sure an anomaly, someone who transcends their sport (like Gretzky, Pele, Jordan, etc) and having someone like that on your roster is worth the millions it costs. Pros like Bearrecloth, or Strait influence the riders in the know, the ones that keep up to date with developments in biking, and are more likely to buy a high end frame if they see their heroes/riders they respect on them.not really with DH bikes. With Trek's road bikes? Unquestionably yes. But how many people who are buying a hardrock have any idea what a Demo is or who Bearrecloth or Kyle Strait is. Only when you got a super star like Lance does it affect your lower models materially. The only kind of trickle down you're gonna see is when someone who rides a something like a demo or bighit buys a cheap xc hardtail, or a bike for their kid or wife.
how's that for meaningless speculation with very little to no evidence?
definitely looking more like a production unit with the (elimination of the carbon) alu seat mast & molded (plastic?) gearbox case. i can actually see these coming in at a surprisingly reasonable price - could have a significant impact on the dh segment. speculative postulation: could be a really forward thinking move for honda - dwindling land access for motos / enviro concerns --> growth of bikepark development & a shift from motos to dh bikes for off road 2 wheeled entertainment. i imagine the dh bike manufacturing landscape would change considerably if a couple of the other japanese moto manufacturers got on board as well...
...but... if someone took a Honda, flipped it upside-down...I seriously doubt they are worried right now.
All mint eh? Solid, well maybe i'll be back in a year or 2 we'll see, hopefully less injured. But probably not . You get to ride Hutt and Queenstown much?NZ's all good btw, weathers been mint so far this winter so still getting heaps of mint riding in
is this some sort of inside joke or what?...but... if someone took a Honda, flipped it upside-down...
:biggrin:
what about a Type-R modeldoes it come with a giant spoiler, fart muffler, nos stickers, and underglow?
I'm jumping back in the thread a bit but, DW is the reason I bought a Sunday, not Sam Hill. Never questioned it once... In DW we trust. hahaI'd say those words are more along the lines of -
D
W
My guess would be $7500 (sans v-tec)Shall we run a poll as to the RRP?
Closest to the announced figure (if it comes) gets... to say they were closest to the announced figure.
Based on a framset (frame, rearshock, forks, gearbox+drivetrain).
I'll start the bidding at US$4999