Just corious, how would you finish with this problem, how long would it take, how many laws would you break/make...
And if they were, this would affect shipping jobs? Nice racism.jimmydean said:It's not like wetbacks are becoming CEO's of blue chip companies or anything.
My only problem is all the signs written spanish. If I wanted to live in Mexico I would move to Mexico. If you are going to move to this country then you should learn to speak English.jimmydean said:I'm fine with it. I have always been fine with it. I think immigration is the least of our worries as a country. I think it needs to be addressed at some point, but I think there are a lot larger problems. I think overseas outsourcing it far more damaging to our country then migrant farm workers.
It's not like wetbacks are becoming CEO's of blue chip companies or anything.
I'm the furthest thing from a racist. I grew up in a town full of illegals, I went to school with them, I lived next door to them, they were and still are some of my best friends. Where I grew up, wetback was a descriptive term, not a derogatory term.stinkyboy said:And if they were, this would affect shipping jobs? Nice racism.
Finally seal the borders (North and South). Fine/shut down companies that hire illegals. Arrest illegals and ship back to Mexico/Canada and impose sanctions against Mexico for shipping their poor into America.
What most people don't understand, is that even though they use fraudulent info, most do pay taxes. They also pay into Medicare and Social Security. Not only that but they buy goods and services at the same rates as citizens and legal aliens which puts most of their income back into the economy.bjanga said:The issue for many people is that the illegals do not pay taxes yet use public tax money for their education / health care.
Tenchiro said:What most people don't understand, is that even though they use fraudulent info, most do pay taxes. They also pay into Medicare and Social Security. Not only that but they buy goods and services at the same rates as citizens and legal aliens which puts most of their income back into the economy.
Maybe to the untrained eye. I can pick out a Salvadorian or a Guatemalan out of a crowd easy. The Salvadorian is twice as angry and the Guatemalan is only 4' tall.la_cleta said:i don't wanna be a dick but, do you realize that only a part of illegal immigrants are mexican? the rest are immigrants from all over central and south america, of course all of them are looking for the same...
ink:jimmydean said:Maybe to the untrained eye. I can pick out a Salvadorian or a Guatemalan out of a crowd easy. The Salvadorian is twice as angry and the Guatemalan is only 4' tall.
j/k Nothing like good old stereotypes in the PD forum.
And Ciaran, it's not honkey, it's Guero. Get it right, man
Ive explained this before, but since you cant seem to grasp it...Changleen said:Can someone explain the actual problem for me?
Currently as I see it, US businesses get the cheap, flexible labour they need to stay profitable in an increasingly competitive marketplace, illegal Mexicans get a foothold in the US and when they have kids, their kids are citizens right?
So all you need is actually a good visitor visa programme and none of this poncing about deploying pointless guards.BurlyShirley said:Ive explained this before, but since you cant seem to grasp it...
ACCOUNTABILITY.
Everyone acknowledges that we need the cheap labor, but with the world being the way it is, and people wanting to raise their kids in a safe country, it seems quite obvious to me that you'd want to know if you had criminals/child molestors/terrorists coming here to work...
As Ive said, nothing right now is stopping Osama Bin Sanchez from smuggling whatever the hell across...keeping tabs on it is a good and important thing.
Also, is good that we have cheap labor, but its not good that all the money made is sent to another country.
If people can still get across without the visas AND find work, then it really doesnt matter what program you have.Changleen said:So all you need is actually a good visitor visa programme and none of this poncing about deploying pointless guards.
So, your arguement is explotation is ok, as long as there are no negative side effects to the US?BurlyShirley said:Ive explained this before, but since you cant seem to grasp it...
ACCOUNTABILITY.
Everyone acknowledges that we need the cheap labor, but with the world being the way it is, and people wanting to raise their kids in a safe country, it seems quite obvious to me that you'd want to know if you had criminals/child molestors/terrorists coming here to work...
As Ive said, nothing right now is stopping Osama Bin Sanchez from smuggling whatever the hell across...keeping tabs on it is a good and important thing.
Also, is good that we have cheap labor, but its not good that all the money made is sent to another country.
So give them a few incentives to get a visa. Make it worth their while. Make it easy too.BurlyShirley said:If people can still get across without the visas AND find work, then it really doesnt matter what program you have.
Isn't that how it's done down under?bjanga said:Does letting anyone through who has a legitimate job waiting on the other side sound sensible?
That's one of the ways NZ do it.jimmydean said:Isn't that how it's done down under?
I know when my dad was teaching at Uni in Sydney, he could teach for up to 9 months, but there was an extensive check into his role the the school and make sure he had living arangements and stuff. I thought it was well organized and worked well when it was all said and done.Changleen said:That's one of the ways NZ do it.
English isn't the official language of the US (there isn't an official language). Plus, being inclusive isn't such a bad thing, is it?Ciaran said:My only problem is all the signs written spanish. If I wanted to live in Mexico I would move to Mexico. If you are going to move to this country then you should learn to speak English.
If they're willing to be exploited, I dont give a ****.Silver said:So, your arguement is explotation is ok, as long as there are no negative side effects to the US?
Also, the security arguement is a red herring. Just drop it...
If the security argument was legit, we'd be sending troops to our undefended north border and scanning every cargo container.BurlyShirley said:the security argument is a red herring? WTF is wrong with you?
Changleen said:Can someone explain the actual problem for me?
Currently as I see it, US businesses get the cheap, flexible labour they need to stay profitable in an increasingly competitive marketplace, illegal Mexicans get a foothold in the US and when they have kids, their kids are citizens right?
Who is this "we"?Silver said:If the security argument was legit, we'd be sending troops to our undefended north border and scanning every cargo container.
We aren't doing that. So we must not be that worried about the security angle.
If it's safety we are concerned about, we should be taking on the problem of dumb rednecks, not illegal immigrants.BurlyShirley said:Ive explained this before, but since you cant seem to grasp it...
ACCOUNTABILITY.
Everyone acknowledges that we need the cheap labor, but with the world being the way it is, and people wanting to raise their kids in a safe country, it seems quite obvious to me that you'd want to know if you had criminals/child molestors/terrorists coming here to work...
As Ive said, nothing right now is stopping Osama Bin Sanchez from smuggling whatever the hell across...keeping tabs on it is a good and important thing.
Also, is good that we have cheap labor, but its not good that all the money made is sent to another country.
Dumb rednecks already have social security cards, and if arrested, have a record to go off of. This makes investigating crimes commited by them alot easier than say, a guy from mexico who you have no proof of his age, name, country of origin, past criminal record, etc.BeerDemon said:If it's safety we are concerned about, we should be taking on the problem of dumb rednecks, not illegal immigrants.
The funny thing is that this has always been that way with Canada, yet nobody really cares. Why is it that we are so adamant about keeping our southern neighbors out, but are largely unconcerned with those to the North?BurlyShirley said:What we DONT have is any system of knowing who in the hell is coming in and out of this place across a largely ungaurded border.
Of course, its typical that you guys try to take the issue this way, but its purely numbers. The vast, vast majority of the folks who illegaly come here are mexicans. There really isnt any reason for masses of canadians to come here, so its a non issue of its own accord. If tons of canucks were flooding across, and significant numbers of them were criminals, Id imagine you'd see a similar outcry.Tenchiro said:The funny thing is that this has always been that way with Canada, yet nobody really cares. Why is it that we are so adamant about keeping our southern neighbors out, but are largely unconcerned with those to the North?
Is it because the people below are are brown and speak a different language? Being less able to assimilate themselves and becoming an easier target?