Just got back from the LBS
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I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.
Good tires but they pack up in the mud. they are my dry season choice. When things are wet I use the Mosquitos
I'll second that. Great tires when they are new, but they wear out faster than a $5 pair of jeans.
Pythons would have to be my all time favourite tire.
IMO, they're absolutely awesome for most conditions.
Quite light, roll very very fast at low pressure, have got mega climbing grip (for me anyway) and are very predictable at speed
They do pack up in mud, but most tires do to an extent. If you go faster, the mud flings off
IMO, they're absolutely awesome for most conditions.
Quite light, roll very very fast at low pressure, have got mega climbing grip (for me anyway) and are very predictable at speed
They do pack up in mud, but most tires do to an extent. If you go faster, the mud flings off
man i got to go but let me just say, pythons suck...
Pythons Suck.
at what setting are you using your ava shox for the srping rate? (size of air chamber?)
Ok Im back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me Im trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but Im not going to. Theyre cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.
Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and dont handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.
Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.
a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
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Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me Im trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but Im not going to. Theyre cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.
Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and dont handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.
Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.
a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
t
tell me about the TT's, what dont you like?
Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.
They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.
If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35
man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.
I have been running the SAME pair of pythons since october 1999 at pressure varying from 19-28 psi (low enough to bottom out the tire on the rim) I have never had a single pinchflat with them. I race on them in every conditon immaginable excluding clay type mud. Pythons are the very best sand tire i have ever used, the combination of the supple, well constructed casing and high volume, in combination with the intelligent tread design yeilds a tire that is neutral in loose conditons with an extremley predictable and consistent breaking point.
When i was sponsored by Tioga i went through great lengths to disguise my tires.
it may just be that you need your fire xc tractor tires to make up for a lack of technical ability...:devil:
stosh DONT flip them around you wont be able to stop. The ramp on the knobs is there to recude rolling resistance. if you climb seated or with your ass over the rear you should not have a problem climbing.
t
that's all i have to say about that.
try a yamaha 125 ttr, or alternatiely a mtb tire with large widely spaced paddle type nobs. Soemthing like a conti comp. pro 2, or velociraptor.
Maybe if you are a speed conscious weight weenie racer, but the average recreational rider is less concerned with weight and mostly concerned with performance.
last time i checked weight+rolling resistance+"traction"= performance.
So when it comes to climbing or riding on level ground, weight and rolling resistance would be of the utmost import.
An elementary physics textbook will tell you that a najority of your energy loss in cycling comes from fluid resistance, then rolling resistane and then negligible losses due to drivetrain friction.
Because of the slower and highly variable speeds of XC riding, the aerodynamic componet, while important, is of tertiary import to rolling resistance (weight is a factor of in the determination thereof) and weight.
Additonaly a high-volume low pressure tire will reduce mechanical losses in in power transmission by deforming more readily to the trail surface instead of bouncing off the ground. A tire, like the python which is designed to take that principle into mind can disaply both low rolling resisntance characteristics and use the increased "contact patch" of the tire as one big knob for excellant traction.
Lightweight and low rolling resistance should be important to all cyclists when choosing tyres.
now copy and paste something not from a Euro website
I just bought 1300g tires for my FR bike. Traction and pinch flat resistance were the most important factors when choosing tires. Lightweight and low rolling resistance??? I could care less.
Just because you think one tire is the best, doesn't necessarily mean they work for everyone.
Stosh, get a versatile tire with some nice knobs and generous spacing.
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists
woo i'm glad somebody else called him out on that it was bugging the **** out of meOriginally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists
Even dh and bmx racers take weight in rolling resistance into account. Why do you think stans, semi slick tires and hookworms are blowing up all of a sudden? why do bmxers use 1.85 rear tires? Why does Taj ride a ti T1?Originally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
BURN!!!!!Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
don't let the happy face avatar fool you, Echo is a killing machineOriginally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
:devil: watch out! hehe good one echo!Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
And to think I was just excited about getting some stuff at my LBS YESTERDAY.
1. i recommended velociraptors for deep gravel.Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
2. What makes something a "race tire"? pythons are light, durable, hook up extremly well and are extremelycheap.
3. Trials riders are the biggest weight weenies on earth.
4. i reccomended tires that work well for me.
5. when choosing betwen two objects of equal quality or design lighter is always better.
Echo - Tony, you guys are killing me. I'm trying to not laugh cause my boss is hovering in the cube next to me.