Yeah they seem to have low profile "nubs" and soft rubber.Originally posted by Echo
I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.
Good tires but they pack up in the mud. they are my dry season choice. When things are wet I use the MosquitosOriginally posted by stosh
any suggestions on the tires?
I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking to buy. I just kind of want a good all around tire.Originally posted by Westy
Good tires but they pack up in the mud. they are my dry season choice. When things are wet I use the Mosquitos
Originally posted by stosh
I'm not sure what exactly I'm looking to buy. I just kind of want a good all around tire.
I'll second that. Great tires when they are new, but they wear out faster than a $5 pair of jeans.Originally posted by Echo
I've found the Hutchinson tubeless tires to have great traction but they wear very fast.
no body asked the peanut gallery a DAMn thingOriginally posted by The Toninator
man i got to go but let me just say, pythons suck...
I have the TT's and I don't like them I guess I'm going to go with the Fire XC pros. I had them on my last bike and liked them for all the reasons you just mentioned.Originally posted by The Toninator
Ok Im back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me Im trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but Im not going to. Theyre cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.
Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and dont handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.
Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.
a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
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tell me about the TT's, what dont you like?Originally posted by stosh
I have the TT's and I don't like them I guess I'm going to go with the Fire XC pros. I had them on my last bike and liked them for all the reasons you just mentioned.
I'm just looking at everything thats out there though.
Originally posted by The Toninator
tell me about the TT's, what dont you like?
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.Originally posted by stosh
Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.
They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.
Originally posted by Rip
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.
If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35
The Ignitor is a good all around tire.Originally posted by stosh
They came on the bike.
I don't ride totally in mud. The problem with were I ride is there is a little bit of everything.
Originally posted by The Toninator
Ok Im back. I'm going in with Devy on this one for several reasons.
Panaracer fire XC pro's are the best all around tire i have ridden, and believe me Im trying to find the best. They hook up well in ALL conditions and last forever.
Good - Awesome sidewall construction reduces pinch flats. Thick all around which reduces likely hood of punctures and pinch flats.
Knobs, Knobs and more Knobs. They hook up in corners on hard terrain, in sandy terrain and wet if you do it right. I could go on but Im not going to. Theyre cheap.
Bad (racer boi point of view) - Little on the heavy side. Rolling resistance is noticeable. That's about it. I cant think of any "normal" rider negatives.
Pythons:
Good - Fast, Low rolling resistance. Grippy in hard pack dirt and rocks. Light. Fairly cheap.
Bad - They get very loose in sandy conditions, wear easily and dont handle wet/mud very well. Thin and pinch flat easy.
Summation:
Fire Xc pro's - Excellent all around tire.
Pythons - Excellent race day tires in the "right" conditions.
a little while later i'll do a write up for Maxxis Mimo's and TT's.
Originally posted by Rip
Let me get this straight; you're riding a non mud tire as in the TT in mud? Bright, very Bright.
If you're going to be riding in mud, get a pair of Swampthings.
http://www.maxxis.com/bike/productDetail.asp?BrandID=35
Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.
I have been running the SAME pair of pythons since october 1999 at pressure varying from 19-28 psi (low enough to bottom out the tire on the rim) I have never had a single pinchflat with them. I race on them in every conditon immaginable excluding clay type mud. Pythons are the very best sand tire i have ever used, the combination of the supple, well constructed casing and high volume, in combination with the intelligent tread design yeilds a tire that is neutral in loose conditons with an extremley predictable and consistent breaking point.
When i was sponsored by Tioga i went through great lengths to disguise my tires.
it may just be that you need your fire xc tractor tires to make up for a lack of technical ability...:devil:
stosh DONT flip them around you wont be able to stop. The ramp on the knobs is there to recude rolling resistance. if you climb seated or with your ass over the rear you should not have a problem climbing.Originally posted by stosh
Don't shed mud
No climbing traction
IMO they have the tread totally backwards at least on the back tire. I haven't had a chance to flip the rear tire and try it yet but the whole mud shed problem this time of year is making me think I should just get new tires.
They seem to corner well in hard pack, not that I have much of that around here.
that's all i have to say about that.Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed bla bla bla....
try a yamaha 125 ttr, or alternatiely a mtb tire with large widely spaced paddle type nobs. Soemthing like a conti comp. pro 2, or velociraptor.Originally posted by stosh
Yeah an compare the price of the Maxxis tires to the Pythons, I might try the Pythons.
I guess the thing I'm looking for the MOST is good rear tire traction in loose gravel.
Maybe if you are a speed conscious weight weenie racer, but the average recreational rider is less concerned with weight and mostly concerned with performance.Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
man you are thick headed. if we are talikng XC tires light and low rolling resistance are the most important characteristics to consider.
last time i checked weight+rolling resistance+"traction"= performance.Originally posted by Yossarian
Maybe if you are a speed conscious weight weenie racer, but the average recreational rider is less concerned with weight and mostly concerned with performance.
now copy and paste something not from a Euro websiteOriginally posted by Capt. Burntout
yada yada yada... "tyres."
I just bought 1300g tires for my FR bike. Traction and pinch flat resistance were the most important factors when choosing tires. Lightweight and low rolling resistance??? I could care less.Originally posted by Capt. Burntout
Lightweight and low rolling resistance should be important to all cyclists when choosing tyres.
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclistsOriginally posted by mrbigisbudgood
I just bought 1300g tires for my FR bike. Traction and pinch flat resistance were the most important factors when choosing tires. Lightweight and low rolling resistance??? I could care less.
woo i'm glad somebody else called him out on that it was bugging the **** out of meOriginally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists
Even dh and bmx racers take weight in rolling resistance into account. Why do you think stans, semi slick tires and hookworms are blowing up all of a sudden? why do bmxers use 1.85 rear tires? Why does Taj ride a ti T1?Originally posted by Echo
Dude, come on. You know freeriders, BMX riders, and downhillers aren't really cyclists
BURN!!!!!Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
don't let the happy face avatar fool you, Echo is a killing machine :devil: watch out! hehe good one echo!Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present
1. i recommended velociraptors for deep gravel.Originally posted by Echo
So let's sum up what's happened so far...
Stosh asked about good tires for trail riding. He doesn't race. You recommend lightweight racing tires. Other people who actually paid attention and understood the question recommended tires which work well for them. You called them thick headed and said lightweight racing tires are ideal for all cyclists. A couple people called you out on that silly ass comment. You assumed that everyone that rides downhill and BMX is a top level racer, and ignored freeride, park, urban, trials, and every other form of cycling.
I think that about brings us up to the present