Could be the New saints?
Do happen to look a little like my old E4 hopes i had back in 02. but im sure they are a lot better
Ohhh the new Saint brakes....Maybe :-)
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Could be the New saints?
Do happen to look a little like my old E4 hopes i had back in 02. but im sure they are a lot better
Just incase im sorry if this has come up already.
don't look drastically different than the current ones... first difference i noticed was the return of backloading brake pads (THANK GOODNESS!!!). also, 2 bolts holding the caliper together, not 4.
Interesting. They appear to be lighter, and that top loading design looks ripe for one of their heatsink pad set ups. Hopefully the lever gets less plastic as well.
I hope they leave them raw.
that'd be cool. also worth noting the first gen saint calipers had backloading brake pads as well.
i guess they dont care about hiding them by leaving them raw for this weekend.
Still looks like an early prototype. There is alot of material that can be milled away.
and some speed holes
Make them cheaper.
and i thought the XTR cooling fin pads will trickled down to the new saints???
Hopefully the new pads will trickle down to the new saints, plus top loading pads make for cooler brakes, heat flies right through. Looks lighter as well with less bolts on it.
please let them have the same levers as xtr trail. m810 levers = gay and inconsistent
Definitely an early version. Shimano usually machines their protos (cheaper, easier to make changes) and forges the final product. Personally, I've always liked the look of the protos better.
Siiiiiick!
Wonder it have moar powaaaa than the previous version? If they can get the modulation to work ideally, any additional power would be easily controllable.
Wonder it have moar powaaaa than the previous version? If they can get the modulation to work ideally, any additional power would be easily controllable.
Moar feel would be moar important than moar power IMO. Hope they have XTR levers too. Would be sick. I wonder if one piece caliper is on the cards. Trick, I'm getting a front caliper for my XTRs for sure.
Just had a thought(without much thought as always), if they did one piece they could have and allen key on the piston caps you could wind in for pad contact adjust. Feel free to use that Shimanno, I just want a lifetime supply of brakes and pads.
if you have a screw in piston, how do you expect them to actuate via the hydraulic pressure?
Would they automatically adjust when you use the e-brake too?
Not a screw in piston, a screw in piston cover to reduce the chamber volume.
Yes, again like with my expandable lines idea, the auto adjust kills it
Half thinking again, they could have two chambers, with a rubber diaphram, so one side pushes the other, but the other side could be adjusted in size.
They'd need a piston there with a travel stop.
Wait, that won't work, the smaller chamber would need an air bladder also for heat expansion.
I'm going to have a coffee and come back to it.
They'd need a piston there with a travel stop.
Wait, that won't work, the smaller chamber would need an air bladder also for heat expansion.
I'm going to have a coffee and come back to it.
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Hmm, they'd have to have a two part piston at the caliper with a screw that separates the two parts making the piston in effect thicker, and therefore pushing pads further out.
Would mean more room for seal failures but as you'd need O'rings to seal adjuster screw passing through fluid.
Would mean more room for seal failures but as you'd need O'rings to seal adjuster screw passing through fluid.
How does Formulas FCS system get away with working on the line? I know it makes the line shorter/longer therefore adding/subtracting fluid in effect, but how come it doesn't auto adjust?
whats the difference between the xtr trail and new 2012 xt levers? they look the same.
Consistency/bleed issues more than anything else I think. When they're working as intended, they're absolutely brilliant, but they do always have a really long throw too.
Edit: really, really hope these have the cooling finned pads...
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Not that you need them with Saints.
Had some problems with dirt in the servowave mechanics of my Saint levers.
My front brake lever got stuck in the outermost position several times.
And I think they should have added a seal/diaphragm between the piston push rod and the housing of the levers. Because dirt can enter there and the piston seal is running on dirty surface then plus dirt is contaminating the brake fluid this way.
Had this problem in Morzine, where we rode in absolutely ****ty wheater conditions for full two weeks.
Bled the brakes with fresh fluid before we went there, noticed grey fluid when I opened the reservoir after half a week riding in mud.
Guessing based on nothing that the XTs have a bigger resi and will come out on new Saints,
I may not be complaining about that as much since i went to saints from the oros
The lever throw doesnt have to be that big with the proper setup, though Im suprised it changes even more with pad wear than the formulas.btw. You really manage to overheat saints ? Im pretty sure you are faster than me and even when I was dead tired and didnt really feel it in champery (=mucho braking) they didnt boil. Never happen to me tbh but Im 74kg w/o gear so that may be a factor.
Yeah man, even in Australia I can do it if I'm not paying attention... there are NO brakes on the market that are hard to overheat right now IMO!I may not be complaining about that as much since i went to saints from the oros
btw. You really manage to overheat saints ? Im pretty sure you are faster than me and even when I was dead tired and didnt really feel it in champery (=mucho braking) they didnt boil. Never happen to me tbh but Im 74kg w/o gear so that may be a factor.
They're not very reliable, if you read the thread here about the XTR trail brakes there's a long list of people who had to get the Saint M810 levers warrantied multiple times. The lever throw being long and/or changing is to do with fluid slowly leaking out of the master cylinder cap.
With mine it always happened slowly so it was predictable, but still piss poor for shimano considering how reliable the previous generation of saints were.
Personally I hope they use a redesigned version of the new XT/XTR trail lever for the new one, hopefully with a longer lever blade than those though.
Looks like the same resi. body with a beefed up lever. Pivot looks a little different too.these are the proto levers Gwin is using
After running XTR on my trail bike for a while now, my old Saint levers feel like poo. I just put in an order for some new levers... Not sure if XT's will be available, but XTR will work fine too.
Codes with Motul RBF 660 brake fluid. Maybe that heat dissipator pads from unex but Ive seen some heavy dudes using race brake fluids not the crap avid or other companies sell and they never had problems. One of my friends is around your weight and he gets away with racing on avid ultimates.
The Gray Fluid is pretty normal mate. Had that many times, nothing is wrong.
How did y get the servo wave stuck? Did u crash into deep mud? never heard of this before?
Pretty sure it's not the fluid that Socket is talking about, it's just the pads/rotors overheating and then fading/glazing. I haven't had fluid boiling/failing on any recent brake, and I don't think he has either.