Thought id spread the word. Check out the article.
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/ohlins-create-a-rather-special-rear-shock-for-specialized.html
http://dirt.mpora.com/news/ohlins-create-a-rather-special-rear-shock-for-specialized.html
****, i can barely understand the writing, let alone with font issues.Cool.
Is it just me, or is the font on that article playing games with my eyes? My eyes are getting stuck on every "t".
all in due time...Now if only they started working on a fork...
Exactly, especially if you think that rider weight range is 50kg - 110kg.7 clicks of rebound is pretty crap.
change the face to sinyard's, and the caption to "but ours is proprietary"I may have just bought a Specialized, but this is all Specialized marketing 101.
"We put the reservoir at 90 degrees, so now it's even better."
"Why not just make the reservoir the same and use the same basic shock body as the other CCDBs?"
"But this one is at 90 degrees!"
translation: let's cost reduce it and call it a featureThis Ohlins/Specialized partnership sees a marked shift over the cane Creek connection in several ways. First they have removed a large part of rider decision making to a certain extent and also have the unit dialed into the bike. On this occasion the Demo, but it also becomes available for the Enduro Evo too.
I'd still use a Cane Creek Thumper seatpost. Nobody messes with my unwanted areas of damping..."What makes this shock special is that it removes any unwanted areas of damping"
Exactly, especially if you think that rider weight range is 50kg - 110kg.
Do they shim the shock for each size (weight range) differently?
as of right now its OEM only; i haven't seen anything indicating either company would be selling it aftermarketTake CCDB, make proprietary, sell more, profit.
unpossible. CC developed the DB in conjunction with Ohlins. I know at least the first gen shocks had the name "Ohlins" printed on either the body or the resi. the legal standing between ohlins and cc and ohlins and spesh hasn't been disclosed to the best of my knowledge. There may be a link between this subject and the ohlins shock for spesh being OEM only.I wonder if they'll also sue Cane creek for using the same technology.
maybe i should have been more clear with the sarcasm. Specialized hearts lawsuits, and doesn't take kindly to anybody else having access to the same or similar technology. Logically, why not go ahead and sue even though you licensed the tech well after somebody else? /sas of right now its OEM only; i haven't seen anything indicating either company would be selling it aftermarket
unpossible. CC developed the DB in conjunction with Ohlins. I know at least the first gen shocks had the name "Ohlins" printed on either the body or the resi. the legal standing between ohlins and cc and ohlins and spesh hasn't been disclosed to the best of my knowledge. There may be a link between this subject and the ohlins shock for spesh being OEM only.
specialized is secretly working on proprietary rim/tire interface. and a proprietary chain.maybe i should have been more clear with the sarcasm. Specialized hearts lawsuits, and doesn't take kindly to anybody else having access to the same or similar technology. Logically, why not go ahead and sue even though you licensed the tech well after somebody else? /s
They're just undercutting the competition. Instead of paying CC for their dampers, specialized makes their own and gets to keep that money to themselves. Because it says "ohlins" on the side, most people will forget that they're getting 60% of the shock that a CCDB is.
I tend to agree w/this, As much as like having a bunch of knobs to turn, it gets annoying when you can't get it to feel right.Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with this? If spec found the reason the majority of their top of the line bikes didn't ride well was because of poor suspension setup with an extremely complex and adjustable shock that is designed to fit a large variety of bicycles compression and rebound needs, it makes sense to me to bring the range in a bit to make it more difficult to setup poorly...
i don't have a problem with it. it's a pretty smart idea since the shocks can be tuned to the frames they're going on at the factory.Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with this? If spec found the reason the majority of their top of the line bikes didn't ride well was because of poor suspension setup with an extremely complex and adjustable shock that is designed to fit a large variety of bicycles compression and rebound needs, it makes sense to me to bring the range in a bit to make it more difficult to setup poorly...
would be interesting to see a comparison of the 2 shocks on a dynoCouldnt they have just came out with a tune for a CCDB that they already sell on the bike? im sure you can make both of these shocks feel exactly the same (at least for the people that actually buy them)
Kinda like how Bike Magazine promotes this video - oh wow, 29ers provide stability in a straight line, amazing revelation:Well some more scientific approach would be a comparison testing between the Double Barrel and the new shock in stead of just claiming its much better and the DB was designed 7 years ago.
http://www.bikemag.com/videos/video-curtis-keene-shreds-some-of-bcs-best-trails/Apparently, no one told Curtis Keene that you can't shred on a 29er. Great video by Red Bull showcasing some of BC's best.
science : mountain biking :: oil : waterWell some more scientific approach would be a comparison testing between the Double Barrel and the new shock in stead of just claiming its much better and the DB was designed 7 years ago.
You mean the American mountain biking media. The Germans make an effort.science : mountain biking :: oil : water
Did you use an entire roll of tinfoil for your hat? Jesus dude, if every frame company started selling shocks that were designed with a specific compression range tailored for their bicycle, you'd be stoked. Cane Creek needs to make a shock to sell for a wide variety of bicycles needs. So they have a huge range, with lots of room for error in setup. I have ridden some truly awful ccdb setups where the rider tells me its the best thing evar but really its terribad and they just don't know what they're doing.Take CCDB, make proprietary, sell more, profit.
I wonder if they'll also sue Cane creek for using the same technology.
It looks like they did the opposite of what CC did with their shock. Rather than designing a damper that could be taken from one frame to another, with a wide range of adjustability, they took the damper and dumbed it down/custom tuned it to one frame so it wouldn't work with any other. Looks easier to adjust with gloved fingers though, at least.
the article says it will be available aftermarket...for two Spesh bikes only.as of right now its OEM only; i haven't seen anything indicating either company would be selling it aftermarket
FTFY, as someone who submitted products for testing and bought advertising from german bike media.You mean the American mountain biking media. The Germans make an effort, while still ensuring marketing sales are unaffected.
This.I am always amazed that riders say they have such a hard time setting up a CCDB. Folks, it ain't that damn hard.
PB has their article up as well if anyone wants to soak it all in.Here's a review for you guys to chew on. It answers the reason why there are only 7 clicks of rebound adjustment and much, much more. Enjoy.
http://www.vitalmtb.com/product/guide/Rear-Shocks,35/hlins/TTX,12627#product-reviews/1385