[Kornphlake]

Just to be fair Violent Volante (AKA Curb Hucker) has had a few grey colored posts himself if I remember correctly. Back in the days of the Respect cult I nearly gave him the first admission to my ignore list. ME85 or whatever his name was got it instead followed by PooMan, I'm not as active as I used to be but it seems they evaporated after about 6 months of stupidity. Give the kids a chance, they'll learn pretty quickly what is and isn't tolerated here, who knows maybe in 2 years they'll start writting meaningful posts, either that or they'll get reamed over and over again and move back to pinkbike and emptybeer.

 

[greg447]

Mountain biking is about biking, it doesnt mater of your rich or poor, black or white, whatever ans thats whats unique about mountain biking, everyone is welcomed and helped out. We should'nt have these problems here, and its not just SB kids its every ignorant egotistical self centered individual who makes it onto ridemonkey, so lets not be steriiotyping the SB kids with a bad name, becuase not all of them are asshats.

 

[Tattooo]

I always love the defense of racism, based on freedom of speech. Guess what - we have freedom to not tolerate crap like that. By the way - there are laws against racism too. It's a good thing for you that ignorance is not illegal.

Show me one law that has been upheld regarding racist speech.

Maybe hate crime laws are one thing, but speech is protected as political.

Now this is an owned site, and while I may disagree with their views of freedom (some folks don't like us riding on public or private land, should we then be banned because of that?) and if I get banned for that, I am fine with that.

I am not defending racism or non-racism, I am defending the freedom of thought, speech and ideas. You may not like what I have to say, and I may hate what you have to say, but I will defend to the death our rights to say it.

"Not going to tolerate it..." Jesus, were you there when they went after Larry Flynt too?

 

[Transcend]

Show me one law that has been upheld regarding racist speech.

Maybe hate crime laws are one thing, but speech is protected as political.

Now this is an owned site, and while I may disagree with their views of freedom (some folks don't like us riding on public or private land, should we then be banned because of that?) and if I get banned for that, I am fine with that.

I am not defending racism or non-racism, I am defending the freedom of thought, speech and ideas. You may not like what I have to say, and I may hate what you have to say, but I will defend to the death our rights to say it.

"Not going to tolerate it..." Jesus, were you there when they went after Larry Flynt too?

Guess what? The site is based in Canada, your constitution does not apply here. You lose.

 

[degoose]

ok why is this whole thread on racism, somone at school today told me that there was one thread with people saying stuff about the holocaust. Im sure this thread got deleted, so could somone please fill me in? To any of you who think that the holocaust was funny, my grandmas mom was taking in the middle of the night and taken to auschwitz, same with my moms dads parents. I really think its sick how people still think that this is a funny matter. I heard earler today that somone on rm said that it would be a good idea if there was another "sb holocaust." That so stupid. I know that us sb kids mess around, but we never say anything to hurt anyones feelings or anything like that. We are good kids, ok riders, and maby not so good at spelling! ok.....ive said enough.

 

[PatBranch]

^(what transcend said) Good point; I never thought of that.

 

[Tattooo]

Guess what? The site is based in Canada, your constitution does not apply here. You lose.

Give GW time, all of north america will be under one new constitution. I joke, I joke.

However, since it is a Canadian site that is seen in the us, oddly international law, which recognizes freedom of speech as a paramount virtue, is what would take the kick here.

 

[Transcend]

Give GW time, all of north america will be under one new constitution. I joke, I joke.

However, since it is a Canadian site that is seen in the us, oddly international law, which recognizes freedom of speech as a paramount virtue, is what would take the kick here.

You don't get it do you? International law says nothing about your constitution. It is about trade law, and international boundary violations. The Un declaration of human rights is not law, it is simply a suggestion (and written by a Canadian).

 

[Tattooo]

Read the whole thing there Canada, it also recognizes the free expression of values, ideals, and speech. See how it was implied against China during Tiennamin (sp?).

I love Canada, so smug, so sure that their view of the world is dead right, and that everyone has to follow their line.

I think that this whole thing with the SB kids is a valid line of thought. We need to be shaping those kids to be able to deal with trail issues coming down the pipe, and frankly I'd rather they had developed the tools here to be able to deal with those that would rather kick us off the trail.

Face it hoss, you're no better with your line of thought then those riding on horses that want to keep us off the trail. Its all or nothing, none of this gray area, censored thought and speech crap. If you dislike what the kid is saying, confront him, or change the channel. You can't censor people just because you disagree with their line of thought.

 

[Changleen]

I love Canada, so smug, so sure that their view of the world is dead right, and that everyone has to follow their line.

1) You've completely failed to understand the situation.
2) You're an idiot. Shut up.

 

[Tattooo]

1) You've completely failed to understand the situation.
2) You're an idiot. Shut up.

Wow, your debating and thinking skills, coupled with your amazing vocabulary and ability to use deductive reason are beyond reproach...

What would you like to ban next? Or which group would you like to silence next.

You dislike people talking about things that occured during the days of Naziism, and then you use the same lines of thought. People like you amaze me, please breed prodigiously.

 

[Transcend]

Read the whole thing there Canada, it also recognizes the free expression of values, ideals, and speech. See how it was implied against China during Tiennamin (sp?).

I love Canada, so smug, so sure that their view of the world is dead right, and that everyone has to follow their line.

I think that this whole thing with the SB kids is a valid line of thought. We need to be shaping those kids to be able to deal with trail issues coming down the pipe, and frankly I'd rather they had developed the tools here to be able to deal with those that would rather kick us off the trail.

Face it hoss, you're no better with your line of thought then those riding on horses that want to keep us off the trail. Its all or nothing, none of this gray area, censored thought and speech crap. If you dislike what the kid is saying, confront him, or change the channel. You can't censor people just because you disagree with their line of thought.

Sure thing buddy. My 4 years of school assures me that International law has nothing to do with the UNDHR, and also assures me that it is unenforceable.

What cracks me up most, is that it's an american discussing international law. Hello illegal invasions of sovereign nations! I must remember, your line of thought is always right. We MUST spread democracy to nations who want nothing to do with it. We MUST keep sovereign nations from the weapons that they have as much right to own as you do. We MUST invade whatever countries who's governments we disagree with.

Please go back to playing with your guns, no one here cares what you think about our censorship.

 

[syadasti]

Please go back to playing with your guns, no one here cares what you think about our censorship.

Not to mention that censorship is completely legal in the US on privately owned sites...

 

[Tattooo]

Canadians = the new nazis?

No wonder you guys get so angry when people begin to talking about the Holocaust. Too bad you can't fit ideas, thoughts, and words in ovens huh?

 

[Changleen]

Wow, your debating and thinking skills, coupled with your amazing vocabulary and ability to use deductive reason are beyond reproach...

What would you like to ban next? Or which group would you like to silence next.

You dislike people talking about things that occured during the days of Naziism, and then you use the same lines of thought. People like you amaze me, please breed prodigiously.

1) You've completely failed to understand the situation again.
2) You're an idiot. Shut up.

 

[Tame Ape]

Canadians = the new nazis?

No wonder you guys get so angry when people begin to talking about the Holocaust. Too bad you can't fit ideas, thoughts, and words in ovens huh?

Stop being such an ass-troll.

 

[zedro]

Guess what? The site is based in Canada, your constitution does not apply here. You lose.

huh, didnt know that. Although hate speech laws are so rarely enforced, and the ones who like to point that gun can sometimes be just as crazy as the bigots.

But anyone who went to Concordia knows that

 

[Tattooo]

1) You've completely failed to understand the situation again.
2) You're an idiot. Shut up.

Great, explain it to me then.

 

[Tattooo]

Stop being such an ass-troll.

I apologize if being an ass-troll is defined by standing up for unpopular speech, but its what I gotta do.

 

[zedro]

Great, explain it to me then.

about being an idiot? now theres a catch 22 neaky:

 

[Transcend]

huh, didnt know that. Although hate speech laws are so rarely enforced, and the ones who like to point that gun can sometimes be just as crazy as the bigots.

But anyone who went to Concordia knows that

Of course, but the US constitution still doesn't apply here. Neither does Int'l law (which has nothing to do with individuals). Hell, it doesn't apply there in a case like this. Private institutions can censor you as much as they want.

 

[Changleen]

Great, explain it to me then.

You're on a privately owned website. This has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with Nazis or Canada, or you personally, except that you're being retarded.

Y o u h a v e n o r i g h t s h e r e .

What part of that don't you understand?

 

[Tattooo]

I am not disputing that a private group can censor Transcend. What I am questioning is the issue of if they <b>should</B> censor.

You're an educated guy, and you know there is more to our sport then just putting two wheels to dirt. Politics, law, access rights, etc, all play into what we do. Now while this may not be the truth of the situation in Canada, it is down here. I'd rather these kids, even the little SB bastards, can use this sort of site to hash out the details of things, including racism (because brown, black, white, orange or purple, you put knobbies below you, and you are the enemy to a great majority) so that when confronted by the "other team" they can debate and fight back.

Then again, maybe we should move this to another section, and we should move to one on one discussions.

 

[Tattooo]

You're on a privately owned website. This has nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with Nazis or Canada, or you personally, except that you're being retarded.

Y o u h a v e n o r i g h t s h e r e .

What part of that don't you understand?

Hey, let me know how much you like that the next time someone shuts your trail down.

Steps lead to people being shut out of things, and they start small like this.

 

[H8R]

I apologize if being an ass-troll is defined by standing up for unpopular speech, but its what I gotta do.

"Unpopular" and hateful speech are two different things.


Alot of closet racists stand behind the same free speech that most Americans cherish. That's just fine, everyone has a right to say whatever they want.

And anyone with with a privately run internet site has the sole right to edit, delete, supress, stomp, smash, revoke, ignore, laugh at, ridicule and obliterate said free speech.



Sure it's free speech. That doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing to say or the RIGHT way to be.

 

[H8R]

Hey, let me know how much you like that the next time someone shuts your trail down.

Steps lead to people being shut out of things, and they start small like this.

DING DING DING!

I think he's getting it folks!


If people are being asshats on the trails, they often get shut down.

 

[zedro]

I am not disputing that a private group can censor Transcend. What I am questioning is the issue of if they <b>should</B> censor.

thats what gives things flavor. If every place was an open and completly random forum, no bounds, what would the point be? Would you let your kids do whatever the hell they like because they can?

 

[syadasti]

Yeah we are all about freedom down here. Censoring the Rolling Stones protects us (2 of 3 songs were censored - videofeed was on a 5 second delay)! Seeing people violently tackle (or swear/fight/etc) each other isn't going to give our kids bad idea. Bad words and breasts are. Yay for responsible parents (er TV)!

 

[Tattooo]

Right and wrong are moral attachments that 0 application in this.

Free speech is or is not free, it isn't regulated by popularity of thoughts or words.

However, we're putting the cart before the mule on this. If RM wants to ban people, they can do so. What I am hoping is that the will think about it before they do so, just based on the rule of the mob.

 

[zedro]

....based on the rule of the mob.

sometimes refered to as 'common sense'....

 

[H8R]

just based on the rule of the mob.

If someone is being an asshole, and many people call them on it, and ask that they be banned, well....

LONG LIVE THE MOB.

 

[Changleen]

This thread is great.

 

[Transcend]

He bans because they annoy other users.

 

[H8R]

Right and wrong are moral attachments that 0 application in this.

Free speech is or is not free, it isn't regulated by popularity of thoughts or words.

However, we're putting the cart before the mule on this. If RM wants to ban people, they can do so. What I am hoping is that the will think about it before they do so, just based on the rule of the mob.

BTW - you seem to have, at least by what you portray here, some persecution issues.

Do you feel wrongly oppressed? You should take it up in therapy.

 

[H8R]

This thread is great.

I know, I'm awesome.

Thanks.

 

[Tattooo]

Like my father used to say, "common sense ain't all that common."

So would you then be in favor of banning porn because it bothers the christian coallition? Or about about images of Jesus because it offends groups of people that don't buy into him. Or, how about banning christmas? or haunnaka (sp?), or bubble gum, or peanuts.

You start banning things, and you start down a very dark road where I can assure you that a very small group gets to set standards that will throw up walls around everything. You may want that world, but I don't.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Neither U.S., Canadian, nor international law have any bearing on what content I allow on my site. If you feel the need to post racist comments, start your own site. Period.

 

[Bicyclist]

I still don't understand what Tattooo is trying to prove. He admits that RM can do whatever the hell he feels like because it's a private site but still argues. About what, I don't know.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Like my father used to say, "common sense ain't all that common."

So would you then be in favor of banning porn because it bothers the christian coallition? Or about about images of Jesus because it offends groups of people that don't buy into him. Or, how about banning christmas? or haunnaka (sp?), or bubble gum, or peanuts.

You start banning things, and you start down a very dark road where I can assure you that a very small group gets to set standards that will throw up walls around everything. You may want that world, but I don't.

Since when do I allow porn on here? Use your damn head. There is content that is not allowed on this site. That's all there is to it.

 

[Ridemonkey]

I still don't understand what Tattooo is trying to prove. He admits that RM can do whatever the hell he feels like because it's a private site but still argues. About what, I don't know.

You're not alone. He doesn't know either.