Breaking news!! A well-balanced diet with lots of exercise and a few drinks now and then is the path to health and happiness!!! You heard it here first!!! Now how do I get paid for that? 
Science bitch slaps the Low Carb industry, Atkins officials in denial.
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And I will reiterate what I said. I said a diet must include ALL food groups. I am totally opposed to any diet as stated above that consists of any one food source regardless of it consisting of protein or carb as well as single food diets as I also stated above using the grapefruit diet as my example.
As mommie and daddie always said: "too much of anything isn't good for you"
As mommie and daddie always said: "too much of anything isn't good for you"
OGRipper said:Breaking news!! A well-balanced diet with lots of exercise and a few drinks now and then is the path to health and happiness!!! You heard it here first!!! Now how do I get paid for that?
Look above I said balanced diet before you so the money comes HERE big guy.
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binary visions said:
The related topics section has resulted in all sorts of old threads getting bumped since it's been added. Most of 'em are funny but I'm afraid you chose a rather lame one to bump up
Just realized something here BV. For a lame old thread, it's getting quite a bit of attention on a Saturday. hahaha Sorry bro had to go there. Sorry.
yes, but the more drastic low carb diet, kinda introduces a high protein diet in exchange..Toshi said:
an unmonitored 70% or 80% protein (based on calorie count) diet without regular exercise, lots of water and a healthy set of kidneys to begin with is stepping into the potentially unhealthy...
and that risk is higher than just dropping off 200 calories from your daily intake of doritos, candy, dessert or something trivial like that....
I'm 43 and that is me in the photo in the avi. I get pysicals once a year and blood tests 3 times a year and my liver counts etc are exceptional. I have been on the high protein diet before it became fashionable. My ratio is 60% protein 30%carb 10% fat (approx). I do agree that 80% or higher in protein is too much.
The easiest formula to figure out how much protein is right for you is 1 to 1 1/2 grams per pound of bodyweight (1 being if your not as athletic) and the rest Carbs and don't forget the 10%fat.)
The easiest formula to figure out how much protein is right for you is 1 to 1 1/2 grams per pound of bodyweight (1 being if your not as athletic) and the rest Carbs and don't forget the 10%fat.)
ALEXIS_DH said:
Dropping 200 cals of crap eating from your diet is much clearer then your 1st post. I do agree with this. In doing so the term is called eating cleanly. BUT if like I touched on before, if someone already eats clean, cutting 200 calories might not be the best method but rather altering their carb intake. Maybe the majority of their calories are eating pasta 3 times a week and one day of a veggie pizza! That stuff falls into the category of clean eating yet it kills you in the carb dept. Way too much!!!
One other related note regarding my 3 times a week eating pasta. Every meal should include carbs and protein. A dinner should not soely consist of full plate of pasta and a side salad. Then maybe carrots for a snack later before bed. Sure that sounds healthy doesn't it? NO icecream no chips but also, No protein and that is not optimal. The dinner should have included some sort of protein. If you don't like lean ground beef meatballs for example you should at least drink a protein shake. I for one don't get meatballs everytime we have pasta at home so I drink a shake with it at dinner and add Tuna to my salad. Simple fix to a carb meal.
I'm not bragging by no means but when it comes to diet, I think I have a pretty good grasp of it by now. I've been involved in bodybuilding since I was 17 and that was a looong time ago. I cut calories prior to the summer and am currently below 10% BF which I do not maintain all year long but only seasonal. This can not and has never been accomplished on a high carb diet. Period. Protein must outweigh your carb intake even if your not training for the Mr Olympia contest (which I'm not just making a point).
Um, 12 of the 18 posts have been your own... it doesn't count if you're the one giving attentionfirestorm said:
Oh man Binary your so picky!! lol
Nutritional science does not back up what you say. Most Americans eat too much protein. Also pools of amino acids (building blocks of protein) last for several days in the body which means don’t have to balance their intake that often.
On average most adults eat 75g protein a day. The average person requires about 30g. What happens to the excess - it is converted to glucose... There is no solid scientific evidence that eating more protein than the recommended requirements results in more body muscle mass. The only scientifically proven way to increase muscle mass is EXERCISE.
On average most adults eat 75g protein a day. The average person requires about 30g. What happens to the excess - it is converted to glucose... There is no solid scientific evidence that eating more protein than the recommended requirements results in more body muscle mass. The only scientifically proven way to increase muscle mass is EXERCISE.
You absolutely need to excercise to build muscle but without feeding the muscle it will not grow and everyone knows that protein is what feeds the muscle. And that is scientifically proven. Carbohydrates provide Energy. So I also have to agree that too much protein will make one catabolic along with other negative side effects. Again I say that too much of anything isn't good for you. The amount of protein one eats should be determined by how physical you are. I would love to read this article where you read that 75gms of protein is too much. Not doubting you but would like to read it. Link me please.syadasti said:
I heard it from Dr. Levitsky, a well respected professor of Nutritional Sciences and Psychology at Cornell University. He usually has good summaries of the body of studies but I took the course many years ago, so I'm not going provide any article for this old thread on the Internet...firestorm said:
Keep it friendly syadasti. just a conversation here. Anyway had fun but time to go home. later.
I would eat more veggies if they were made out of red meat. Until science can do something about that, I'll stay away from it.
I never said .7 anywhere and I already noted this before a few post upToshi said:
The information I quoted also said .6 is dietary requirement and .8 is RDA. The important takeaway is that US diet already contains too much protein (much higher than RDA which fits 97.5% population) and you definately don't need to add more even if you are a body builder.syadasti said:
The RDA is base line and does not take into account activity levels. Same as the federal body weight chart. Anyone that works out especially in the fitness areas require more protein then the average american coutch potato.
The following is the recommended bodyweight for someone my age. 5'11" small frame141-151 Medium frame 147-163 Large frame 157 - 177.
I'd look like pee wee herman at 147 pounds. I'm currently 220 and as stated before am currently at 10% bodyfat. So does this mean I need to go on a diet???
Those are your government charts for you. If you ever took any Physical Trainer courses you would understand what I"m trying to tell you. Active people do not fall under these tables and charts. Plain and simple. This is a mountain bike site and road bike site. If you are here you probably ride so the base percentages are not for you. YOu require more fuel then your fat lazy ass neighbor who's only excercise is opening a Budweiser and cutting his little patch of weeds in his front yard once a week for 15 minutes.
The following is the recommended bodyweight for someone my age. 5'11" small frame141-151 Medium frame 147-163 Large frame 157 - 177.
I'd look like pee wee herman at 147 pounds. I'm currently 220 and as stated before am currently at 10% bodyfat. So does this mean I need to go on a diet???
Those are your government charts for you. If you ever took any Physical Trainer courses you would understand what I"m trying to tell you. Active people do not fall under these tables and charts. Plain and simple. This is a mountain bike site and road bike site. If you are here you probably ride so the base percentages are not for you. YOu require more fuel then your fat lazy ass neighbor who's only excercise is opening a Budweiser and cutting his little patch of weeds in his front yard once a week for 15 minutes.
hey, i´ve got an honest question.firestorm said:
how much weight (lean mass) can you gain without steroids, and whats a good realistic lean mass lb/per month natural increase?
say starting at 160lbs 5´9´ 14% body fat.
i´ve asked the instructors at my gym, but everybody swears they are natural...
they are humongous bodybuilders with no fat and paper thin skin, yet when any question has the word "steroids" on it, they react as if they have never heard the term...
That is typical of them. Me I don't lie. I did steroids in the 80's. Quit in 1989 prior to marrying a nurse so it was that or her. I chose her. the Question you asked is difficult to answer because so many factors come into play. Making some assumptions at my end such as your willing to train hard, eat correctly, and your not a hard gainer I think it is safe to say that you could count on 1/2 to 1 pound a month for the 1st 1 to 3 months. Then you will see gains slow down a bit which is normal. If you keep your workouts fresh and change it frequently your gains can continue to come quicker then if you keep things always the same. At 14% Bodyfat that isn't that bad so I wouldn't concern myself with that at this time. Work on size for now and as this spring comes you begin adding cardio to your workouts.ALEXIS_DH said:hey, i´ve got an honest question.
how much weight (lean mass) can you gain without steroids, and whats a good realistic lean mass lb/per month natural increase?
say starting at 160lbs 5´9´ 14% body fat.
i´ve asked the instructors at my gym, but everybody swears they are natural...
they are humongous bodybuilders with no fat and paper thin skin, yet when any question has the word "steroids" on it, they react as if they have never heard the term...
RDA is acceptable for 97.5% of the population AT THEIR IDEAL weight - that means a healthy individual who includes some normal exercise and eating a proper diet which is certainly not an average American lifestyle.
As I quoted above at ideal weight .6 is ok and the rest is a safety margin in the RDA. Nutritional requirements increase as you exercise, but for protein, not as much as to vary much from what average americans are already eating (75 to as high as 120g reported as average ranges - up to double RDA). Hell if you are having a baby, you probably don't need to change your diet if you eat like an average American!
Also, how many professional cyclists do you see bulked up like body builders, its not the same type of athletic skill
Here is some sound advice:
Even the national association of sport nutrition (centered around certification not pure science):
As I quoted above at ideal weight .6 is ok and the rest is a safety margin in the RDA. Nutritional requirements increase as you exercise, but for protein, not as much as to vary much from what average americans are already eating (75 to as high as 120g reported as average ranges - up to double RDA). Hell if you are having a baby, you probably don't need to change your diet if you eat like an average American!
Also, how many professional cyclists do you see bulked up like body builders, its not the same type of athletic skill
Here is some sound advice:
dietitian.com said:
Even the national association of sport nutrition (centered around certification not pure science):
Those are NASN guidelines for competitive athletes. I don't doubt there are some on RM, but the average bike enthusiast isn't a top level athlete. Either way you probably don't need more protein then you are already getting unless you diet is abnormal to that of the average US diet.
The recommended NASN intake for endurance athletes is about 1.2-1.4 gm of protein/PER POUND/day or 150-175% of the RDA. Strength athletes need about 1.6-1.7 gm of protein/PER POUND/day or 200-212% of the RDA. The NASN’s recommendation to consume 1.2-1.7 gm of protein/PER POUND/day assumes that the athlete is consuming sufficient calories to support this approach. (NARN, 2005)
No I saw that but I'm correcting it the way I say it should be. At least 1 gram per pound of bodyweight to gain muscle size. You want to have 11 inch arms like a pro rider feel free. I would have a problem with my wife having bigger arms then me.
25 years of roid rage? Are you accusing me of something bud? I haven't seen any rages by me nor INSULTS. they are only coming from your fuqing mouth.
Since your also in NJ we can discuss my "roid rages" on a trail sometime if you'd like and any other topic of your choosing.
This is the Internet newb, get use to it. I'm not being that serious
The extent of most nutrition discussions on my rides are:
Do you want to stop for a energy break or should we keep going?
Or
Look at those edible plants munch, munch, munch (I eat some blackberries, brambles, wineberries, blueberries, garlic mustard, rosehips, field garlic, or whatever else I find) - do you want some - seriously you can eat them, no, oh ok :wonky2:
The extent of most nutrition discussions on my rides are:
Do you want to stop for a energy break or should we keep going?
Or
Look at those edible plants munch, munch, munch (I eat some blackberries, brambles, wineberries, blueberries, garlic mustard, rosehips, field garlic, or whatever else I find) - do you want some - seriously you can eat them, no, oh ok :wonky2:
I'm hardly a newbe to message boards I just don't post much here. I am baboon knows me and how long I've been around. I've known him for years over at a bodybuilding forum. As for it being the internet, I don't care if it's internet, in person or written on a peice of paper. I expect the same respect given to me as I give to others. If you can't keep it civil when talking or debating something with me then it ends. I have little tollerence for guys that begin to flex cybermuscle with me. I will catch it early, tell them what im telling you and if it persists I end converations with that person immediately. You were making some very good points with facts to back them up and then you went and started the rolling of the eyes etc stuff and worse off the steroid crap which I totally despise because it is just pure ignorance. Just not necessary.syadasti said:This is the Internet newb, get use to it. I'm not being that serious
The extent of most nutrition discussions on my rides are:
Do you want to stop for a energy break or should we keep going?
Or
Look at those edible plants munch, munch, munch (I eat some blackberries, brambles, wineberries, blueberries, garlic mustard, rosehips, field garlic, or whatever else I find) - do you want some - seriously you can eat them, no, oh ok :wonky2:
He's not really been "ragin'" per se... maybe a bit adamant but not ragin. Now Knuckleslammer, he was ragin.Toshi said:
And I am seriously bummed that no one thought my Jack Lalanne post was funny. The guy is in his 90's and looks great! Go Jack!
Everything in moderation. Why don't people understand that if they eat a bit of everything and get off their asses they'll lose weight in a good manner, and be healthier? Starving yourself of essential nutrients may knock off a few pounds but it sure as hell isn't healthy.
