Hellz no, I would never give them a dime of interestbut i bet you didn't need a 10 year loan for it.
Hellz no, I would never give them a dime of interestbut i bet you didn't need a 10 year loan for it.
* before dealer markupsOnly $90k (not including delivery!) for the Platinum F150 Lightning.
It is wild out there, but it sounds like, especially with Ford, that people who pre-order correctly are getting their cars for sticker without markup. Sounds more difficult with Kia/Hyundai and others, but that seemed to the case with the Mach-e. I didn't want to wait for the Alfa to explode while I crossed my fingers for a mach-E in six months...* before dealer markups
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just posted in the prius thread, ford is doubling production for the lightning and tripling it by 2023 for the mach-e due to high demandIt is wild out there, but it sounds like, especially with Ford, that people who pre-order correctly are getting their cars for sticker without markup. Sounds more difficult with Kia/Hyundai and others, but that seemed to the case with the Mach-e. I didn't want to wait for the Alfa to explode while I crossed my fingers for a mach-E in six months...
You sure about the ground clearance? Im reasonably certain the X has adjustable ride height.Model Y and X both have low ground clearance and very poor angles. And their stock tires have no sidewall.
Plus the Supercharger network is great if sticking to the freeways, but sparse outside of those (logical) corridors.
Were it not for the AWD bit a Pacifica (plug-in) Hybrid like my wife's would work well. One must choose AWD or PHEV with that, and like he mentioned above the current Sienna is both ugly and not a plug-in.
They're street cars through and through.You sure about the ground clearance? Im reasonably certain the X has adjustable ride height.
The point was about battery life, not ‘get an electric scooter’ but that would maybe be fun in retrospect. I had a quick look at e-motorcycles generally, they all seem to offer ranges into at least 100 miles, 150, 160 etc.Maybe if my commute was city streets, but imagine a scooter trying to clear the pass after a 10 mile stretch of 60+MPH HW30.
A scooter on the freeway might be sketch. That's why 60+ MPH is a requirement on top of 80+ mile range.
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Mostly closer to 60-80 miles at freeway speeds unless you are spending $25k+The point was about battery life, not ‘get an electric scooter’ but that would maybe be fun in retrospect. I had a quick look at e-motorcycles generally, they all seem to offer ranges into at least 100 miles, 150, 160 etc.
If you pay attention to what F-150's are actually on the road 90% of them come with the useless 2.7 ecoboost because the people that drive them don't actually need a truck and the 2.7 had a great lease. This is also why the Lightning will do well, most F-150 buyers do not need a truck.Honestly the number of pickups on the road is astounding. I know this is 'MERICA and people get to drive what they want, but the logic behind buying a vehicle whose hood is taller than my roof and will likely never see dirt nor tow anything is astounding. Yeah, you've got chrome, four doors, a full size bed, and can tow a battleship, but you use it to get groceries. Fuck.
I was just informed yesterday that most Hyundai dealers are asking $5,000 over MSRP for the Tucson Plug in Hybrid.It is wild out there, but it sounds like, especially with Ford, that people who pre-order correctly are getting their cars for sticker without markup. Sounds more difficult with Kia/Hyundai and others, but that seemed to the case with the Mach-e. I didn't want to wait for the Alfa to explode while I crossed my fingers for a mach-E in six months...
A guy I know has a Zero, I’ll ask him.Mostly closer to 60-80 miles at freeway speeds unless you are spending $25k+
This is the logical leader currently.
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I would rather have an Alta, but you know
Model Y and X both have low ground clearance and very poor angles. And their stock tires have no sidewall.
X has 8”, 2 more than @Westy wanted. Too beaucoup!You sure about the ground clearance? Im reasonably certain the X has adjustable ride height.
And old RR or Bentley of the 80s would be a perfect choice just to silently roll around town but I do not have silly money like that.There’s a place just up the road from me that’s started to do old school EV conversions. I don’t personally like the cars they’re picking but it’s pretty cool as a concept.
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But he wants to transport 2 bikes inside the car.X has 8”, 2 more than @Westy wanted. Too beaucoup!
Yeah, now show me this with two 29er DH Bikes of the long and slack variety plus all the shit you need for a road trip.Y has 6.6” and has all of the space. Pretty sure you can easily get two bikes in an X too, if you’re open to radical, ludicrously time eating solutions like taking the front wheels off.
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Rivian has entered the chatYeah, now show me this with two 29er DH Bikes of the long and slack variety plus all the shit you need for a road trip.
I'm actually interested to know if my DH or trail bike would fit it in the tiny bed over the tailgate in one of those.Rivian has entered the chat
probably not but it will with the tailgate down I assume. but hey, same story with my gladiatorI'm actually interested to know if my DH or trail bike would fit it in the tiny bed over the tailgate in one of those.
road trip - electric vehicleYeah, now show me this with two 29er DH Bikes of the long and slack variety plus all the shit you need for a road trip.
Northstar has an automatic services on some trails for thatI was able to fit 3 DH bikes in my Golf size wagon in the 00 via this thing called wheel removal. Not sure if that feature is available on modern DH bike.
I had a 2003 Golf TDi that we could get 2 DH bikes into with gear for a weekend(hotel) of riding.I was able to fit 3 DH bikes in my Golf size wagon in the 00 via this thing called wheel removal. Not sure if that feature is available on modern DH bike.
Yeah, but they had these tiny-sized wheels and frames that were too short for even hobbits. And there was more room available in these old Golf wagons then there is in a Tesla, at least from what I have seen. You were probably also less concerned ruining the interior of your car at that time.I was able to fit 3 DH bikes in my Golf size wagon in the 00 via this thing called wheel removal. Not sure if that feature is available on modern DH bike.
Company car so close to zero concern for the inside of my Citroen Xsara Wagon and it's beautiful french plastic. The forks in the trunk and then frames sticking into the cabin with half seat folded down.Yeah, but they had these tiny-sized wheels and frames that were too short for even hobbits. And there was more room available in these old Golf wagons then there is in a Tesla, at least from what I have seen. You were probably also less concerned ruining the interior of your car at that time.
FWIW: I transported my DH bike in a regular Golf II w/o wheel removal.
Crammed with chains touching the interior, etc. My Honda Pilot was pretty decent for transporting bikes in the back with the two rows folded down. Most every smaller vehicle is some level of trying to fit it all in with a hammer. 3 bikes? That’s some next level shit IME.I was able to fit 3 DH bikes in my Golf size wagon in the 00 via this thing called wheel removal. Not sure if that feature is available on modern DH bike.
I am a magician when it comes to packing cars This was the trunkCrammed with chains touching the interior, etc. My Honda Pilot was pretty decent for transporting bikes in the back with the two rows folded down. Most every smaller vehicle is some level of trying to fit it all in with a hammer. 3 bikes? That’s some next level shit IME.
We need to see it filled with bikes though.I am a magician when it comes to packing cars This was the trunk
It has a hitch for a trailer. You can easily put a bike rack on that. Or tow a trailer. Then you've got monstrous room inside for all your road trip gear. Or you know continue living in denial, and not give a s*** about climate change.Rivian has entered the chat
It's not ideal, but it can be done. A friend of mine did a road trip from Ottawa to Quebec City (+/- 600km) with three bikes and three adult men in his Bolt. Two on the roof and one in the trunk. Range was cut significantly with the wind resistance and extra weight, and the fast charging Network wasn't quite there yet 5 years ago. But a lot has changed and it's getting better. Also, Tesla supercharger network is still head and shoulders above the rest.road trip - electric vehicle
That must have sucked for the dudes on the roof. Hope it didn't rain on themA friend of mine did a road trip from Ottawa to Quebec City (+/- 600km) with three bikes and three adult men in his Bolt. Two on the roof and one in the trunk
It's not ideal, but it can be done. A friend of mine did a road trip from Ottawa to Quebec City (+/- 600km) with three bikes and three adult men in his Bolt. Two on the roof and one in the trunk. Range was cut significantly with the wind resistance and extra weight, and the fast charging Network wasn't quite there yet 5 years ago. But a lot has changed and it's getting better. Also, Tesla supercharger network is still head and shoulders above the rest.
My definition of a road trip seems to differ. More like going out west putting in 10 hours of drive time to get to the good stuff, and then be in remote places for days.It's not ideal, but it can be done. A friend of mine did a road trip from Ottawa to Quebec City (+/- 600km) with three bikes and three adult men in his Bolt. Two on the roof and one in the trunk. Range was cut significantly with the wind resistance and extra weight, and the fast charging Network wasn't quite there yet 5 years ago. But a lot has changed and it's getting better. Also, Tesla supercharger network is still head and shoulders above the rest.