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Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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Firmware updates
I'm sure many bike mechanics probably see updating electronic components as a skive but I actually hated waiting around while a laptop progress bar kept me in limbo. No doubt Seths shop's Mechanics are on triple time bonus' when some unfortunate swiss punter drops by for their 400Euro rear derailleur firmware update.
" Toasty feet tonight guys! " :banana:
 

sethimus

neu bizutch
Feb 5, 2006
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not in Whistler anymore :/
WTF is a smart appliance?

A washing machine? How "smart" exactly does something that spins water around clothes for a set amount of time really have to be?
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swiss landlords invest in good appliances that last a long time, it's normal here that you rent a whole kitchen + washer/dryer (in germany flats are usually empty, you move in with your kitchen/buy the one build in from the former renter). stuff build in here was about 14k in total. those are the connected ones, the steamer oven and the normal oven are not connectable sadly.
 

sethimus

neu bizutch
Feb 5, 2006
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not in Whistler anymore :/
mind you based on the BORGAR index:
things would appear to be 40% more expensive in switzerland than the US
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that small döner was 22 chf, but worth it. you won't believe what they usually serve as "kebab" here.
 

two-one

Monkey
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swiss landlords invest in good appliances that last a long time, it's normal here that you rent a whole kitchen + washer/dryer (in germany flats are usually empty, you move in with your kitchen/buy the one build in from the former renter). stuff build in here was about 14k in total. those are the connected ones, the steamer oven and the normal oven are not connectable sadly.
Seth, now I can only imagine something like this:
 

jrewing

Monkey
Aug 22, 2010
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"service" is incredibly vague.
What work did you actually take the bike in for?
and was the quote for labour alone or labour and parts?

As a former workshop mechanic a 2 yr old fairly decent FS mtb with 1000 off-road miles on it and relatively un-serviced. Could easily incur a bill for labour of that sort of cost. But for that the bike would probably be getting a full strip down and rebuild including frame bearing replacement, headset/BB replacement, fork & shock and possibly dropper servicing plus all the standard stuff included in a higher end service. eg. Wheel true, hub bearings checked/replaced, brakes serviced/bled, pads replaced etc.. drivetrain inspected for wear, removed/deep cleaned refitted, cable replaced etc. All agreed upon with the customer in advance of any work being carried out. It does all add up unfortunately.
Many a tight arsed home mechanic/cyclist probably wouldn't believe the running costs of a shop.
Running a shop with employees surely is costly.
Ive considedered doing work out of my large sized garage/small sized work shop, but what holds me back is crazy boutique bike owners.
I have in the past worked on groms bikes that were thrashed for nothing. And the bikes are then a 1000% better afterwards, and they are amped to go full send again.
Ive also helped out a friend of a friend on a Crestline Ebike specced up, who was jumpy everytime i touched a bolt, who needed an explanation what i was doing and also looked up the Sram tutorials as i was doing it…haha classic. Shouldve seen his face when i refused the torque wrench for some small torque parts…
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
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isn‘t this the whistler bike park standard uniform to signal you belong to the cool group?
What is SO fucking ironic to me here is that when I went to Whistler in ‘05, I had a thing for polyester/etc pearl snap button downs. ($10.00 at the thrift store) Kind of like cowboy shirts, or more cheesy 50’s (originals). I was on some big bike, had a full face, etc, and some Fox/Troy Lee bro said “You look like you are into XC”.
I chuckled, and realized they took themselves as seriously as roadies.
Full circle, when the ’Party Shirt’ thing happened, I was pretty amused.
 
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HardtailHack

used an iron once
Jan 20, 2009
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I convinced myself that pedal bulge pedals are fine, because grease port and no bushings.

After two months on Horizons I went back to non concave, pedal bulge pedals and I am happy to admit that I am an idiot, with the Saint cranks and Sytace pedals I felt like I was going for a check up with the gyno.
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Pedal bulge pedals are dumb, 2mm thinner per side doesn't really reduce rock strikes as the pedals have to be 10mm wider, so you just hit different rocks.
 

FlipFantasia

Turbo Monkey
Oct 4, 2001
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What is SO fucking ironic to me here is that when I went to Whistler in ‘05, I had a thing for polyester/etc pearl snap button downs. Kind of like cowboy shirts, or more cheesy 50’s (originals). I was on some big bike, had a full face, etc, and some Fox/Troy Lee bro said “You look like you are into XC”.
I chuckled, and realized they took themselves as seriously as roadies.
Full circle, when the ’Party Shirt’ thing happened, I was pretty amused.
back in that era I wore a bright orange hawaiian shirt fairly regularly, no one else was doing it though and I stopped before it became 'trendy'...thank christ!
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
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I must be one of the weird ones.
I have no problem with bearing bulges on pedals.
Have been running them for years, up until the latest Tenets.
I like the Tenets, but do miss the pedal bulge for foot placement. Without them, I end up putting my foot to close to the crank-arm and rubbing. Even on the wide DH bike BB, pedal bulge is no problem.

As for Seth and his 35.00 Gyro. WTF :eek::panic: I thought when Sammy's Souvlaki hit 10 bucks for a Gyro, it was getting a bit much. By the pic our favourite edge-lord posted, I'm getting a great deal and Seth is getting the shaft, which strangely he seems to like. :rofl: (NTTARWT)
 

William42

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I think people who ride with the ball of their foot on the axle tend to dislike pedal bearing bulges, and people who ride with their foot further forward closer to arch over axle tend to not give a shit about pedal bearing bulges.
 

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
Dec 3, 2009
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I think people who ride with the ball of their foot on the axle tend to dislike pedal bearing bulges, and people who ride with their foot further forward closer to arch over axle tend to not give a shit about pedal bearing bulges.
this. i am definitely more towards the ball over the axle, although my favorite pedals since my og wah's are rf atlases which have a small bulge.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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TBF. If you're riding a flat pedal with the notion that the ball of your foot over the axle is the oprimum position in all situations you're a fucking idiot
 

jstuhlman

bagpipe wanker
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ok genius. you sure are an expert. i've never encountered a situation where it isn't, for me. that's where i can apply the best pressure and get the best feel/connection. whether climbing, riding local xc shit, or riding dh. i must have been an idiot for decades. but go ahead and dispense your godly knowledge on us all.
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
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I think people who ride with the ball of their foot on the axle tend to dislike pedal bearing bulges, and people who ride with their foot further forward closer to arch over axle tend to not give a shit about pedal bearing bulges.

Well that settles it. I'm just fucked. :busted:
I am a ball of foot over spindle guy who does not mind the pedal bulge on my concave style pedals. I have tried, but just can't get along with a mid foot placement. With the ball of the foot over the pedal spindle, I can let the bike float underneath me. If I try a mid-foot placement, then I feel like I'm gonna lose (and have more than once) the pedal as soon as things get spicy.

The crosses we have to bear.
 

DaveW

Space Monkey
Jul 2, 2001
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Well that settles it. I'm just fucked. :busted:
I am a ball of foot over spindle guy who does not mind the pedal bulge on my concave style pedals. I have tried, but just can't get along with a mid foot placement. With the ball of the foot over the pedal spindle, I can let the bike float underneath me. If I try a mid-foot placement, then I feel like I'm gonna lose (and have more than once) the pedal as soon as things get spicy.

The crosses we have to bear.

*Splutter* WHAT!!!!!
How dare you not be fine with the one true foot placement, as proclaimed by the holy Apostle St Gary of Irn bru.

BURN HIM!!!!!!! :rant: :shakefist::butcher:
 

sethimus

neu bizutch
Feb 5, 2006
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not in Whistler anymore :/
As for Seth and his 35.00 Gyro. WTF :eek::panic: I thought when Sammy's Souvlaki hit 10 bucks for a Gyro, it was getting a bit much. By the pic our favourite edge-lord posted, I'm getting a great deal and Seth is getting the shaft, which strangely he seems to like. :rofl: (NTTARWT)
the trick is: accept that food costs a fuck ton in this country, as the swiss like most things swiss made and that costs more due to the high wages. all the nice things to play with though, like bike parts and electronics cost the same as in europe and therefore even less in switzerland, due to the low VAT of 8.1%, combined with my low tax rate of 10% which let me, after all the other social dues, keep around 80% of my wages. so yes, the kebab is expensive, but costs me next to nothing relatively speaking.

life is good.
 

HardtailHack

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Jan 20, 2009
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TBF. If you're riding a flat pedal with the notion that the ball of your foot over the axle is the oprimum position in all situations you're a fucking idiot
I'm a fucking idiot.

But I'm just smart enough to know you assume that already, hahaha!
Oprimum sounds like some bougie cat food, I had to look the meaning up, that fucker ain't used in Australia.
 

William42

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Damn, I wasn't trying to suggest anything about optimized positions or one being better than the other, and I also wasn't trying to suggest any universal truths about positions and bearing bulges. I'd have thought "tend" would be enough to make it clear it wasn't some universal truth. Some of yall really took that and ran with it.
 

HardtailHack

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I just ordered some Pinnd CS2 pedals so I can come in here in a couple of weeks and whinge about shite products made in Scotland.
They are some 1990's lookin' mafuggers.
 

HardtailHack

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and i'm the crazy one for investing in 300 cad pedals :popcorn:
I don't think I would have called you crazy for spending $300, buying a pedal with a shit design that your foot can almost fit in to, that's different.

However, I have basically bought two expensive bricks with axles, so I shouldn't judge.
 

Gary

my pronouns are hag/gis
Aug 27, 2002
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ok genius. you sure are an expert. i've never encountered a situation where it isn't, for me. that's where i can apply the best pressure and get the best feel/connection. whether climbing, riding local xc shit, or riding dh. i must have been an idiot for decades. but go ahead and dispense your godly knowledge on us all.
Table much bro?

#Pedalsarentjustforpedalling
 

William42

fork ways
Jul 31, 2007
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I think the thing that not everybody in this thread is appropriately appreciating is that everybody is stupid except me, and if the industry (or and individual company) ever does something I don't like or appreciate, it (the entire industry) is stupid because of that fact.

And this includes anybody who thinks different pedals that I don't like are cool and okay.