i agree, but id still pay $400k just for a V10 from their F1 programWhen you drop close to 400gs on a vehicle, label is 90% of it.
i agree, but id still pay $400k just for a V10 from their F1 programWhen you drop close to 400gs on a vehicle, label is 90% of it.
Have you actually seen the specs of the concept?Yeah dude, a concept car is projected to weigh blah blah blah. That means nothing in the north American market. Wait till it has 18 airbags, door beams, daytime running lights, traction control, hybrid drive, remote hatch lifts, xenon powered sudden infant death detectors, automatic golf score updating systems, etc. etc. and all the rest of the junk they put in cars nowadays, and THEN tell me it costs less and weighs less and performs as well.
Same here. I guess I will just have to keep looking for another car to spend $500,000 on.I'm sure it's a great performing car, but I just don't like the Japanese look.
Torque is not the be all and end all of an engine. That's why God created transmissions...354lb-ft of torque from a V10 is silly. if these cars had the grunt of a nice American OHV engine (GM LS engines for example,) then they would be sick
Maybe I'm just a cheap bastard, but if I am dropping $500k, I think it should perform well AND look nice.Same here. I guess I will just have to keep looking for another car to spend $500,000 on.
trannys make up for it with CVT's, flappy paddle gear boxes, 8 gears and two clutches....nothing beats torque...especially good ol' American low-end torqueTorque is not the be all and end all of an engine. That's why God created transmissions...
My point was people on this board arguing the merits of half million dollar supercars is like people on a star wars board discussing the advantages of a bow fighter over an x-wing: ridiculous because we will never be driving them.Maybe I'm just a cheap bastard, but if I am dropping $500k, I think it should perform well AND look nice.
I actually like it, but I am un-American like that.
what's a bow fighter?My point was people on this board arguing the merits of half million dollar supercars is like people on a star wars board discussing the advantages of a bow fighter over an x-wing: ridiculous because we will never be driving them.
Um....Millenium Falcon jackass!!what's a bow fighter?
(and X-Wing FTMFW, btw. handles WAY better)
Toyota needs to do better if they want to sell a poster to me, Godamnit!Same here. I guess I will just have to keep looking for another car to spend $500,000 on.
I would so totally buy an X-Wing if I could!My point was people on this board arguing the merits of half million dollar supercars is like people on a star wars board discussing the advantages of a bow fighter over an x-wing: ridiculous because we will never be driving them.
Bow fighter, tie figher, bow tie fighter? Whatever. I'm not very versed in the ways of the nerd.what's a bow fighter?
(and X-Wing FTMFW, btw. handles WAY better)
sort a like a zonda but zonda has 4 pipes out back.A little like a Zonda on the back maybe?
comparing a 911 to a car like this is stupid..even if its a GT2....or even a 958I'd rather see a 911 or 458 in my garage with some cash in my pocket.
making a car that loses money is nothing new in high end exotics like this. Bugatti is still losing money on every 16.4 Veryon that they make. maybe their new 4door will resolve that issue, but i doubt it.Toyota are expecting to lose money on each one? Is there a lunatic running that company now? First fiscal year loss ever last year (yes, they can be excused) and now a super exclusive 'super car' that looks like at best 'a very cool sports car'.
Im waiting for the Toybaru STi to come out. 1/10th the cost, 8/10ths the performance.
there have been talks about bringing a MkV into market, but i believe they canceled it.I would just like to see Toyota resurrect the Supra. Nissan has had some success with the 350z/370z, the MKIV was light years ahead of the Z, it was just out priced (yet still a bargain).
I wasn't comparing them, I just said I'd personally spend the money on a 911....or a Ferraricomparing a 911 to a car like this is stupid..even if its a GT2....or even a 958
making a car that loses money is nothing new in high end exotics like this. Bugatti is still losing money on every 16.4 Veryon that they make. maybe their new 4door will resolve that issue, but i doubt it.
and dont forget, pricing in Europe is significantly higher than the US or Japan
and the Toyota/Subaru performance car is dead. the only car that has been talked about b/w the two companies is the new FT86. a small and cheap sports car
the only Porsche that is compared to a Ferrari, R8 or any other exotic is the now dead Carrera GT.Porches are always compared to Ferraris, Corvettes, R8s, the new GT-R etc. because they are that great of a sports car. Personally, I don't think this car is as fast as a GT2 or GT3 around most circuits. It looks fast as hell on paper(which I am sure it is) but I don't think it can beat a 977.
Whoops, yeah 997.the only Porsche that is compared to a Ferrari, R8 or any other exotic is the now dead Carrera GT.
the new GT2 is super fast yes, but im sure this car will be able to keep up with it even with it's bloated weight (compared to the GT2 and GT3.)
and 977 isnt a Porsche model, im guessing you mean 997?
carefull with those words...you never know who is lurking on here. But i tend to agree, some of these threads on cars make me laugh because I am on 6speedonline and fChat daily...My point was people on this board arguing the merits of half million dollar supercars is like people on a star wars board discussing the advantages of a bow fighter over an x-wing: ridiculous because we will never be driving them.
Pretty funny. All of this talk about gen 4 Supra's, and i've seen two of them in the last two days. A black one with stock black wheels, and a red one with no wing, super wide rear wheels, and a gigantic front mount. I didn't see a supra all summer. I want one.there have been talks about bringing a MkV into market, but i believe they canceled it.
and yes, the 300Z was nothing compared to the late model Supra
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If I was having the actual mid life crisis my ex-wife swears I am having right now, I would have bought one. I do want one, but I have too many other projects.Pretty funny. All of this talk about gen 4 Supra's, and i've seen two of them in the last two days. A black one with stock black wheels, and a red one with no wing, super wide rear wheels, and a gigantic front mount. I didn't see a supra all summer. I want one.
I actually spotted a '77 280z in a lot last time I was home. The guy wanted $2500 for it and it's been there over 6 months. I had a '78 that I put WAY too many mods into that was a blast to drive.I would be way jealous of you if you bought one. I myself am actually going the complete opposite direction with cars. Instead of looking for something big, burly, powerful, computer powered, and able to withstand lots of power mods..........i'm looking for an old skool air cooled beetle to drive around. I want one bad. Always have. Just something lowered, simple, and fun to drive. I know, i have weird taste in cars.
Awesome. Sounds like you have a bit of weird taste too. I'm about the only guy out of my friends that would drive a 280z. I actually test drove one years ago and i wasn't impressed at the time. Now i know that you can put the Silvia engine in it, i'd probably get one. I'm just trying to stay away from something that is going to be tempting to make fast. Making something go fast is super spendy. Some cars have no limits. A vw...........eh, you can only really make it go a little quick, not fast. I would have no desire to even try.I actually spotted a '77 280z in a lot last time I was home. The guy wanted $2500 for it and it's been there over 6 months. I had a '78 that I put WAY too many mods into that was a blast to drive.
My sons first car was a '67 VW with the motor out of my '69 (200mm fly wheel). I had dual port heads and a Weber 2bbl carb on it. He drove it for 2 years before he sold it.
I.i'm looking for an old skool air cooled beetle to drive around. I want one bad. Always have. Just something lowered, simple, and fun to drive.