http://www.turnerbikes.com/TNT/index.html
And yes it is true......
Edit: New Highline...
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=132154
And yes it is true......
Edit: New Highline...
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=132154
Go to an English class, please.bballboy388 said:i thought it ment that they wont be using the horst link for that bike in the second link cause its single piviot. wouldnt that mean for there 4bar linkage ones they would still use it?
In the first link Turner makes it clear that they are dropping the horst-link from all models.bballboy388 said:i thought it ment that they wont be using the horst link for that bike in the second link cause its single piviot. wouldnt that mean for there 4bar linkage ones they would still use it?
If I remember correctly, Turner came up with that suspension system first and then everyone else used it.RPG said:Turner is now a KONA???? I guess I'll be waiting for the new IH Type 6 instead of a 6 pack. I'm dissappointed.
actually, I think it was AMPChrisRobin said:If I remember correctly, Turner came up with that suspension system first and then everyone else used it.
Care to inform us of the significant differences between the Horst and non-Horst suspension designs?RPG said:Turner is now a KONA???? I guess I'll be waiting for the new IH Type 6 instead of a 6 pack. I'm dissappointed.
yeah, i dont get itbinary visions said:Care to inform us of the significant differences between the Horst and non-Horst suspension designs?
Right. Actually, I knew the difference, I was just baiting RPG there to see if he was under the typical delusion that a Horst link provides a magical, verticle axle path that somehow causes it to do everything perfectlyGrizzle said:the only major advantage that the horst link had was that it helped isolate the brake caliper mount from the swingarms rotation. Basically, without the horst link, when you grab rear brake, the rear suspension will compress a little. With horst link, the rear suspension stays where it is more.
Oh, right. Sorry, i forgot to mentoin that the seatstay bars are made with flubber impregnated titanium, making them absorb the largest bumps and pedal bob, turning it directly into forward SPEED!!!binary visions said:Right. Actually, I knew the difference, I was just baiting RPG there to see if he was under the typical delusion that a Horst link provides a magical, verticle axle path that somehow causes it to do everything perfectly
Ahahaha... Awesome.Grizzle said:Oh, right. Sorry, i forgot to mentoin that the seatstay bars are made with flubber impregnated titanium, making them absorb the largest bumps and pedal bob, turning it directly into forward SPEED!!!
Yep, increased brake jack, and poorer pedaling characteristics. Low pivot single pivot bikes rely more on platforms to pedal better. Even ridden a concentric pivot? LOL... Increased brake squat and stiffening is going to happen as a result of caliper rotation, which will exist on the "new" turners.chillindrdude said:hurray for increased brake jack
Hey, I know that all this horst link bs is marketing hype derived by specialized. I was just taken back by the shock of the change. I've owned 3 turners, 2 of which were single pivots. I just would like to know if they abandoned the link due to license fees. For my application, trail bike, pivot placement doesn't matter.binary visions said:Right. Actually, I knew the difference, I was just baiting RPG there to see if he was under the typical delusion that a Horst link provides a magical, verticle axle path that somehow causes it to do everything perfectly
Then why did you deride it with your comment about turning Kona and how you were disappointed?RPG said:Hey, I know that all this horst link bs is marketing hype derived by specialized. I was just taken back by the shock of the change. I've owned 3 turners, 2 of which were single pivots. I just would like to know if they abandoned the link due to license fees. For my application, trail bike, pivot placement doesn't matter.
Sweet Turner, but your car has a flat tire. You should restore that beast back there.Jm_ said:Yep, increased brake jack, and poorer pedaling characteristics. Low pivot single pivot bikes rely more on platforms to pedal better. Even ridden a concentric pivot? LOL... Increased brake squat and stiffening is going to happen as a result of caliper rotation, which will exist on the "new" turners.
I have an "old" turner
chillindrdude said:hurray for increased brake jack
I cringed when I read that.vitox said:Over the years our Horst links have been moved closer to the axle in order to reduce the noise of the derailleur hitting the frame on rough ground
Yeah, I had to read that sentence twice because I could hardly believe it. Ever heard of a SRAM derailleur? They don't make any noise at all...Rik said:I cringed when I read that.
yeah i think we all cringed reading that.Rik said:I cringed when I read that.
Yeah, this part really rubs me the wrong way. Turner seems to be very vocal about "oh, it rides the same" or "we can't tell the difference in a blind test". That's all fine and dandy, but we don't care about what is "the same", we want progress, something better. If it's not better, don't waste my time. Whether it was true or not, Turner rode on the "specialized/horst link" wave, and now they aren't going to just "undo" all of that brainwashing all of a sudden.Discostu said:So essentially Turner's angle for their 2006 bikes is "we swear it hasn't gotten any worse". So much for progress.
I hope everyone who is expecting price drops won't be dissapointed...
Nope, Casey (recently departed from Turner as well) said prices will stay the same.Grizzle said:Maybe the bikes will cost less now due to not having to pay lisence fees?
Either that or Turner will make more profit.Grizzle said:Maybe the bikes will cost less now due to not having to pay lisence fees?
Uh, since when has Turner done something better?Jm_ said:Yeah, this part really rubs me the wrong way. Turner seems to be very vocal about "oh, it rides the same" or "we can't tell the difference in a blind test". That's all fine and dandy, but we don't care about what is "the same", we want progress, something better. If it's not better, don't waste my time. Whether it was true or not, Turner rode on the "specialized/horst link" wave, and now they aren't going to just "undo" all of that brainwashing all of a sudden.
Acadian said:I love this thread:
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=132355
I read that article last week - and that is the first thing I popped into my mind when i heard about all this...
I was out riding all day yesterday, so I had to catch up on those thread this morning. Some make it sound like it's the end of the world..there are OTHER bikes out there other than Turner. If you are a die hard Turner cult member, then accept the changes, if not, MOVE ON.
Dont get me wrong, I LOVE my 5-spot and glad I have one of the originals but there are other great trail bikes out there - I won't comment on which ones since it's a personal thing and I got my preference...but by reading some of the threads on MTBR its like Rita just demolished their world...