Unless, you need your shattered leg put back together.
Buddha's not too dialed on orthopedic surgery.
Vaccinations : infants and kids
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Buddha's not too dialed on orthopedic surgery.
Measles
Key facts
* Measles remains a leading cause of death among young children, despite the availability of a safe and effective vaccine for the past 40 years.
* In 2006, it was estimated that there were 242 000 measles deaths globally: this translates to about 663 deaths every day or 27 deaths every hour.
Brilliant.
And I'm almost certain that Buddha would not recommend acting retardedly when it comes to things like vaccinations. Buddha was no idiot...Unless, you need your shattered leg put back together.
Buddah's not too dialed on orthopedic surgery.
so are you saying people who don't follow western medicine are idiots???...that's more than half the world...D
I'm saying if vaccinations to prevent needless deaths are readily available and they don't vaccinate their children then yes, they are idiots.
when it comes to vaccinations, yes.
People who don't follow reason and logic based on research, history and evidence are idiots.
Guess what - I bet 99.995% of those 27 deaths PER HOUR are in countries with no availability of measles vaccines.
props for getting your daughter the HPV vaccine. just like abstinence isn't good birth control despite the best intentions, withholding the HPV vaccine won't change behavior patterns. (and giving it will prevent some horrible and very preventable cancers!)
i'm not sure what you're referring to with the first paragraph.
not saying it's not true, i'm just not familiar with that.[whisper][/img]? your fingers are quicker than the noggin in this case
What do you mean "this" case?<snip>
[whisper][/img]? your fingers are quicker than the noggin in this case
usually his fingers aren't that quick, eitherWhat do you mean "this" case?
I bet those Mamma's of babies that died of measles would kill you to get that vaccination.
Ahhhh... gotcha.usually his fingers aren't that quick, either
you guys are mean to meAhhhh... gotcha.
hey you're getting it easy in this thread
and I'd be willing to bet that 99.9999% of that half of the world , would relish the opportunity for western medicine.
And of course since it is controversial , my health insurance wouldn't pay for it .
What I was trying to say is that most of these disease have no real cure , and since they have a vaccine to prevent them there is no money or time going into find a cure for them.i'm not sure what you're referring to with the first paragraph.
lol...couldn't be more wrong!!....D
I wont send you bad rep, but i give it to you here:
It's not arrogance, I'm afraid. Measles kill over 200 THOUSAND people a year. And guess what? People who get the measles vaccine DON'T get the measles.
Is this really that difficult to understand?
I was not referring to any ONE person...just reading through the posts and realizing that many believe that only one system works...that's all...I for one chose to not to live in fear...but to each his own...D
BMXman , quick one , have you ever gotten a tetnis shot ?
also your Feelings on antibiotics ?
also your Feelings on antibiotics ?
I had to for some of the jobs I had...I work in the hospitality industry...I personally will not take antibiotics but I'm not against them....D
Edit: Actually tetnis...no I was thinking of TB
Dude...
I'm having trouble not referring to you as a complete fvcking retard because I LIKE you. I'm fairly certain the people in this thread aren't living in fear, but are doing what is prudent to protect the health of their children against really BAD diseases.
all that crap works just fine as long as it isnt you or your family member that is seriously sick/injured because when it is... you want the right to have the finest western medical care money can buy, not some voodoo mumbo jumbo.
Not saying that going native doesn't sometimes have limited merits, but if it worked as well as you seem to think we'd still be going to witch doctors (yes, and chiropractors) for real medical help.
If the human immune system was polio proof, there would be no use for the polio vaccine.
Vaccines are there for a reason, they work. What else works? Fill us in here.
"I don't believe in vaccines" doesn't seem like a good solution. Sorry.
People's gawd given freedom to be knowingly ignorant and irresponsible with vaccinations ends when it negatively impacts the rest of us.
you're being just as irrational as Knuckleslammer. choosing not to believe in communicable disease doesn't make it not exist.
You and I have had different life experiences...so I don't expect you to believe the same as me...people can chose their own realities...you're smarter than the average guy IMO so I know you can realize this. I use to belong to an organization that didn't believe in doctors. I no longer do but I still maintain some of their core beliefs.
If you're really interested google them...Christian Scientist...but I don't want to turn this thread into a whole religious debate...D
Why can't you "believe" in them all?
If your woman was pregnant, would you want to give birth naturally, without drugs or any medical intervention?
We've been going to midwives for the past 8 months. Our baby is breech, so we've been going to a VERY recommended chiropractor and accupunturist. It's not working. We LOVE alternative medicine. We already have a Naturopath doctor lined up for our baby (and a recommended pediatrician too).
It's not working, baby's still breech. We'll keep trying, but time's running out and we've already scheduled the c-section.
Why can't you 'believe' in everything that might work? We'll raise our kid as naturally and organically as possible, but to ignore the factual data on what does work is illogical. (why I'm educating myself)
Lastly, your anecdotal, tiny sample size group of success from your family is just not valid enough to draw any conclusions.
Every single credible piece of literature around shows that vaccinations are essentially a good thing.
I don't believe parents should have the right to make decisions that may have severe adverse consequences for the health of their children based on their own irrational beliefs and where the child is clearly not capable of giving a valid consent. This principle has been demonstrated in medical law and I believe it should be applied to vaccinations.
I don't believe parents should have the right to make decisions that may have severe adverse consequences for the health of their children based on their own irrational beliefs and where the child is clearly not capable of giving a valid consent. This principle has been demonstrated in medical law and I believe it should be applied to vaccinations.
We have been without a Voice of Reason far too long.... I nominate Toshi.
I never said I believe that only 1 system works , but Looking at the numbers , before the polio vaccine how many people were struck down with it ?
Tough to find exact Numbers but in 1916 in New york city alone there were over 9000 cases ,
In 1988, 355,000 cases of polio in 125 countries were reported. By the end of 2004, there were just 1,255 cases of which 740 were in Nigeria.
I'll go with the Numbers to protect my Children
Sorry to hear about your baby...I think every person has to make a decision for themselves..If I were in your position I don't know how I would behave. I could guess but wouldn't really know until it was a reality for me....and I never said anything about subscription to one only belief. I merely stated there are other methods out there.
oh and I wouldn't call a belief system with over 5 million members a "tiny sample size group"....best of luck to your and your wife...my thoughts are with you...I mean that....D
i fundamentally disagree with you on this.
while i agree that blind adherence to all the things that western medicine entails would be foolhardy, i think it's even MORE foolish to discount all of western medicine because of your religious beliefs.
there are certainly bits and pieces that don't work: look at what success we've had at keeping americans from growing obese and getting diabetes.
however, there are pieces that are validated beyond any reasonable doubt. vaccinations are one of these pieces.