I wasn't really trying to argue 4X vs DS, and I have no idea why every time 4X is mentioned, the same people post up comments about how unrad it is compared to DS. THIS WASN'T ABOUT THAT. My initial post was about how the UCI sucks when it comes to reviews and 4X decisions. My last post was to simply clue you in that nobody's opinion really matters in this situation. Not mine, Lee's, or the vet's like Ska Todd. Just do your sport, and quit worrying and posting up how bad you hate 4X. WE KNOW. I'd rather have both DS and 4X at my races, but that is an opinion as well. As far as the top DH guys not racing 4X...whatever their reasons are, it is the smartest thing to do. They are two different sports with different skill sets to race both and neither should be changed so the same people that race one can do well at another. Training for both would hinder or take time away from the other. Unless your a golden child, then you cant win at everything. Have your 4X and eat your DH too, is not the option any more.
where's the Bromont 2009 thread?!
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A quick lil edit of some footage, enjoy
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i saw Minnaar is using a Leatt-type brace in one of the corporate SCruz video. does he normally practice with it? i have never seem him race with one
if the top DH racers raced 4x you'd see what 'skill sets' are lacking from the 4x crowd of used-to-be bmx racers. case in point, Gee Atherton in Belgium this year: no gate starts in months and smoked the 4x boys 'off the couch' as they say. without the top dh guys racing the general skill level is way watered down, heck you don't even need uci points to race 4x that's how bad its become. and i hate to say it, but the general tend for being a top 4x racer is to have not quite made it (or no longer making it) in DH or BMX first.
if the specific skill they need is gate starts and hitting rythm sections and jumps in a straight line then there is already a sport for that with lots of permanently built tracks all over the world.
Who does Jared Graves name as his biggest competition at World Champs? Saladini, Atherton, Wichman, Prokop? Nope, Sam Willoughby, Australian junior BMX champ. which for me pretty much seals the deal that you don't even need to race world cup 4x (or any 4x for that matter) to win it. Laaaame
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maybe YOU should be racing and supporting 4X then.
ohhhhhhhh...burn!
One of the kid's practice runs.
came out pretty good
oh yea, a couple friends made the 4 hour drive up this weekend to see the DH, after the race they walked around the pits for a while. The left 1/2 hour before 4X, I couldn't convince them to stay to watch even though they had nothing else going on.
I tend to agree with all the negative 4x comments
came out pretty good
oh yea, a couple friends made the 4 hour drive up this weekend to see the DH, after the race they walked around the pits for a while. The left 1/2 hour before 4X, I couldn't convince them to stay to watch even though they had nothing else going on.
I tend to agree with all the negative 4x comments
There's nothing to support. Just ask Trek, Giant, Monster, Santa Cruz, Mondraker, etc why they can't be bothered. The $500k+ Bromont track is permanent and open to the public, but in 2 weeks it will be covered in grass like last year and the only people on it will be sessioning the last 2 jumps on their dh bikes.
you might be 4x's biggest fan, but you're not going to be able to prop its corpse up with wishful thinking.
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yeah that hurt real bad, like 1st grade bad. ouch
I think I'll go buy a camera and lurk at the hotseat until i feel better
Good 1st grade burn yourself.yeah that hurt real bad, like 1st grade bad. ouch
I think I'll go buy a camera and lurk at the hotseat until i feel better
I must apologize to you and you only for hanging out at the finish line to get some quality shots and get paid instead of going up to just watch, wishing that I was good enough to still "compete". But don't worry, 125th last year at MSA was a top notch result so you still have it! (ego boost button engaged)
Say hi to the Evil boys and Steve Smith as you lurk around their pit telling everyone that you are a sponsored Evil rider.
Start calling this guy RUFLESS.Good 1st grade burn yourself.
I must apologize to you and you only for hanging out at the finish line to get some quality shots and get paid instead of going up to just watch, wishing that I was good enough to still "compete". But don't worry, 125th last year at MSA was a top notch result so you still have it! (ego boost button engaged)
Say hi to the Evil boys and Steve Smith as you lurk around their pit telling everyone that you are a sponsored Evil rider.
i don't compete anymore and haven't taken dh racing really seriously since probably '97, no big secret there. and i pay for all my own ****, no secret there either. Evil? ha, Todd and I have been friends for a long time. i don't ride an Evil because of race results silly.
man, you got me. 125th crashed out of qualifying, but 77th the year before bringing up the back of the pack with a belly-flop. thanks for taking the time to look that up, i thought i got last.
tough to lurk around the pit your supposed to be using, by the way. but at least you knew where to find the pic on my facebook
man, you got me. 125th crashed out of qualifying, but 77th the year before bringing up the back of the pack with a belly-flop. thanks for taking the time to look that up, i thought i got last.
tough to lurk around the pit your supposed to be using, by the way. but at least you knew where to find the pic on my facebook
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of course that would perk your interest
You kill me bro. LOL!
Hey Cunter nice Platty DH#3 vid. The best part is around 5:41. Watch out if I ever put a whole good run together!
Nice man, that section was so much fun, I wonder what assholes made it so damn flowy, until the completely flat part that is.
Rufus - I have known Dave & Lee from racing & riding since oh, about 96 or 97. They have been around the Northeast racing scene before some of the groms were even sitting up and eating solid foods. When did you come around exactly?
I "sponsor" them because they go to a lot of races, ride Bromont or Diablo practically every weekend, give excellent product feedback but most importantly because they are articulate about product, set-up, and general information. I cannot say the same about 1/2 of the World Cup athletes I have known over the past decade.
Regarding them "lurking" in my pit? They are more than welcome anytime, anywhere with my teams. Hell, at 1/2 the races this year we've split a hotel room! IIRC, a certain Yeti "sponsored" photographer did his own fair share of "lurking", leaving his gear in my pit, and bumming free Red Bulls at the US Open. So, don't be calling someone out for the very thing he was openly invited to do.
-ska todd
I "sponsor" them because they go to a lot of races, ride Bromont or Diablo practically every weekend, give excellent product feedback but most importantly because they are articulate about product, set-up, and general information. I cannot say the same about 1/2 of the World Cup athletes I have known over the past decade.
Regarding them "lurking" in my pit? They are more than welcome anytime, anywhere with my teams. Hell, at 1/2 the races this year we've split a hotel room! IIRC, a certain Yeti "sponsored" photographer did his own fair share of "lurking", leaving his gear in my pit, and bumming free Red Bulls at the US Open. So, don't be calling someone out for the very thing he was openly invited to do.
-ska todd
Its the Alpinestars Bionic Neck Support brace I really like mine and I dont have a clearace issue even with my Fox V3 moto helmet. I have seen him wear one a couple of times but no more than a handfull. I have been wondering why him and as of late the Yeti boys go back and forth with and without.
Todd, I'll shoot you a PM in a few. No more of this in this thread.
That was AT LEAST a 2nd grade burn.
man, you guys are lucky. i wish i could even attend a WC event, much less "lurk" in anyone's pits. (that sounds a little strange in retrospect 
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Yeah. That was a fun topic. I can't believe how many people were pissed off about that whole thing.
hahaha.much less "lurk" in anyone's pits. (that sounds a little strange in retrospect
way too much knob-shining going on in this thread. no longer interesting or pertinent.
un-sticky needed, STAT.
edit: just watched Ulmer's practice run vid and - DAYUM - that looks like such a fun track!
un-sticky needed, STAT.
edit: just watched Ulmer's practice run vid and - DAYUM - that looks like such a fun track!
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I think you can just register to race simply with an International license. You might not even need an Elite license. (but check w/ your federation on that before you go and get one and blame me for it
)-ska todd
let's have a look on this one...
Graves - Olympic BMX finalist 08, NORBA DH series overall title
Rinderknecht - qualified for the BMX Olympics, still amongst the top riders at just about any BMX SX round he enters
Prokop - same as Rinderknecht
Slavik - top notch european BMX Elite racer, beat Prokop in his prime on a couple of occasions, decided to focus on 4x
Wichman - same as Slavik
Saladini - Junior DH world champion
Madill - finalist in Elite men at this years BMX worlds
Dan Atherton - dunno bout that guy, heard he's doing quite ok in DH
Tschugg - have you seen him at last years Rampage?
Cousine - probably faster on a DH bike than 99.9% of the people posting here
Polc - see Cousine
Willoughby - ever considered that Canberra is his hometown track and that - besides his current form on the BMX - might be why Graves names him?
so there you have your "has beens"... i could go on and on with the name dropping...
say whatever you want about 4cross but get your facts right. otherwise it might look as if you have no idea what your're talking about.
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Just a little insight on Sam Willoughby. He comes from Perth in Western Australia which is a long way from Canberra.
He is 17 years old and BMX world junior champion.
Last year at the world cup in Canberra, Sam rode 4x for the first time. Sam finished 2nd overall. If you've watched the final of the 4x, Jarad was lucky to win. Sam was all over him. Since then, Jarad and Sam have spent alot of time together training. Sam is way quicker than last year and this is why Jarad is worried about the world champs.
You may think Mitch is quick, but wait until you see Sam ride.
its alittle late, and they are all from the same spot, but yeah ill put them out there anyway
Sick......
That spot looks nice and steep.
gotta love gwinny...i'm looking forwards to seeing him podium more often.