Gnarly!Jeremy R said:Made in the US, sold to the UK.
People have been waiting on those 303's longer than slaves looking for their 40 acres and a mule.
The internals of the rail-slider are hand carved from from the pelvic bone of the amazonian river sloth which are bread for their skills in magic. So you could imagine the logistics involved.UiUiUiUi said:does anybody know the reason for the delay?
it's not like i want a 303 nor can i afford one, i am just curious.
Lex said:I like how they actually show you how the suspension works with their animations. Unfotunately there is nothing that they can show me that would convince me that this frame is worth $3500. Ouch!
That was my point about the price. What's so special about this bike to warrant the price tag? I know it's a Yeti with the hand-made this and that, but what are the real-world benefits of this design?vitox said:the animations are really nice, but i was looking at them for a while and after that i couldnt help but wonder about whats so special with those rail cars, after all, they backpedalled on the funky wheelpat/wavey rails issue, and it looks like the whole setup was flexy enough to warrant a traditional bearing/pivot swing link stiffening thingy muy a-la-foes.
marketing 101 - it does not need to be better. it only needs to be different. as long as there is the perception by the public that it is better, the price tag justifies itself (it costs more, so it must be an improvement).Lex said:That was my point about the price. What's so special about this bike to warrant the price tag? I know it's a Yeti with the hand-made this and that, but what are the real-world benefits of this design?
I guess in a world where people are desperate for the next new/best thing that would be true. Oh wait. That describes the downhill scene pretty well, so I guess you're right.mandown said:marketing 101 - it does not need to be better. it only needs to be different. as long as there is the perception by the public that it is better, the price tag justifies itself (it costs more, so it must be an improvement).
Lex said:I guess in a world where people are desperate for the next new/best thing that would be true. Oh wait. That describes the downhill scene pretty well, so I guess you're right.
yeah. top level pro racers need every fraction of a second. this design might help them squeeze that fraction. the average joe on in the sport class is probably running enough drag on his brake rotors to offset any time savings generated by an improved suspension design. but this is america and if you want the feeling of top performance and you can afford it, then you should have it. hell, i don't need bmw (the car) performance in LA traffic. however, i like the way those cars ride and would love to have one (but i spend all my money on bikes).Lex said:I guess in a world where people are desperate for the next new/best thing that would be true. Oh wait. That describes the downhill scene pretty well, so I guess you're right.
Mani would probably take a medium Sunday. Go ahead and order it for him.leprechaun said:Our 1 guy who has been waiting for one and had sold his old DH bike 4 months ago is hanging by a thread-if it's not here by the Angel Fire CO race it's gonna be a Sunday.(It's gonna be a Sunday)..
Ah, the ole industry standard.leprechaun said:They're saying a couple weeks or so.
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i'm sure the suspension works great. . . too bad it's bolted to a boat anchor.mandown said:yeah. top level pro racers need every fraction of a second. this design might help them squeeze that fraction. the average joe on in the sport class is probably running enough drag on his brake rotors to offset any time savings generated by an improved suspension design. but this is america and if you want the feeling of top performance and you can afford it, then you should have it. hell, i don't need bmw (the car) performance in LA traffic. however, i like the way those cars ride and would love to have one (but i spend all my money on bikes).
Mani - you KNOW you want a Sunday :devil:profro said:Mani would probably take a medium Sunday. Go ahead and order it for him.
Mani, get a Morewood Izimu. Its 75% faster than a Yeti.Mani_UT said:Acadian, sinatorJ, Profo,
Here is a smiley for you:
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(BTW, JP, I dont remenber saying bad things about the Sunday though. So if I get one it would not be a full turn around... just a half )
See you guys at Angelfire... on a 303!... or else
I agree with you there! The reason I want one is the cool engineering and the "thinking outside the box". Two aspects you got to relate to yourself I'd think!bcd said:what a bunch of monkey motion for the slightest variation in axle path and leverage ratio.
i wise man once told me about designMani_UT said:I agree with you there! The reason I want one is the cool engineering and the "thinking outside the box". Two aspects you got to relate to yourself I'd think!
Except it has the POTENTIAL to improve over current design. You cannot compare a fully mature technology with an emerging one in terms of efficiency. It might be a dead end. May be not. The fact that it works "as well" is I think enough for me to reward the innovation attempt by buying the product and consequently give it a chance to mature.bcd said:i wise man once told me about design
" ..if it doesn't improve upon a current design, start looking somewhere else.".
Krispy I got you beat, I resigned my post as general shop goon over at Adrenaline about 6 months ago, we had a guy that Yeti refered to us who was from Japan, anyhoo he had been on the waiting list for about 18 months, witch makes it almost 2 years now. STILL NO FRAME! I love my 575, but wouldn't touch the 303, just on principal.leprechaun said:Have you SEEN them in the UK?
April 23- It just says they're shipping. We're a top 5 US dealer and have not seen one,they can't even say just when they will be ready.They're still waiting for a couple of parts to arrive before they can assemble them.They're saying a couple weeks or so.
Not bashing them-They're trying to invent new technology and it simply takes time.They've been honest with what's going on there.Everything else has been shipping on time and going well.
Our 1 guy who has been waiting for one and had sold his old DH bike 4 months ago is hanging by a thread-if it's not here by the Angel Fire CO race it's gonna be a Sunday.(It's gonna be a Sunday)
Nice Turq MRP wheels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to kill.....
Yeah now THAT is patience!!maxyedor said:he had been on the waiting list for about 18 months, witch makes it almost 2 years now. STILL NO FRAME!
i didnt say it was a gimmick but it does seem like the objectives themselves stated moved them to go rail, arent being met.leprechaun said:The bike goes up and then back,which is a little different than other VPP bikes.Most VPPs go back then up then usually foreward a bit. The IC is in line with the chainring at sag and a good bit in front of the downtube so it feels like a vertical wheelpath bike so there is no feedback, but then it begins to move more rearward from there which probably keeps it from squishing down more when pedaling hard. This also lets it take big sharp hits very well.This describes the feeling i got when riding the last generation proto in the fall.It did not feel slow but also had no feedback. It appeares to get pretty long at bottmout though,not sure how it will be in tighter corners.