[Hello Kitty]

Funny and scary at the same time that you sheeple support this #occupywallstreet class warfare crap.

New York’s Marxist epicenter

By CHARLES GASPARINO
Last Updated: 4:06 AM, October 17, 2011
Posted: 10:23 PM, October 16, 2011

The standard portrayal of the Wall Street protesters goes something like this: Ragtag group of unemployed young adults, venting often incoherent but overall legitimate populist outrage about economic inequality. But go down to the movement’s headquarters, as I did this past weekend, and you see something far different.

It’s not just that knowledge of their “oppressors” -- the evil bankers -- is pretty thin, or that many of them are clearly college kids with nothing better to do than embrace the radical chic of “a cause.” I found a unifying and increasingly coherent ideology emerging among the protesters, which at its core has less to do with the evils of the banking business and more about the evils of capitalism -- and the need for a socialist revolution.

It’s not an overstatement to describe Zuccotti Park as New York’s Marxist epicenter. Flags with the iconic face of the Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara are everywhere; the only American flag I saw was hanging upside down. The “occupiers” openly refer to each other as “comrade,” and just about every piece of literature on offer (free or for sale) advocated socialism in the Marxist tradition as a cure-all for the inequalities of the American economic system.

Don’t try to explain to any of these protesters how those who sought to create a Marxist utopian dream of revolution also gave us the Stalinist purges, Mao’s bloody Cultural Revolution and many other efforts to collectivize thought in the name of economic “justice.”

One woman was holding a “Nationalize the Federal Reserve” sign; I tried to explain that the Fed is already nationalized, because it’s part of government, and she told me to “go check my f--king facts -- it’s privately owned.”

That’s when I was handed a piece paper offering the following wisdom: “The Game of Capitalism Breeds Dishonest Men.” The author of such deep thinking was a dude named De La Vega, an artist convicted a few years back for painting graffiti on a warehouse in The Bronx.

That was pretty mild compared to the sentiments offered in the official “Statement of the League for the Revolutionary Party” on the protests. These guys view as the enemy not just Wall Street tycoons, but also liberal labor leaders like Richard Trumka of the AFL-CIO.

The problem with Trumka, according to the Revolutionary Party and its Zuccotti Park contingent: He wants to work with wishy-washy Democratic Party politicians, where the true revolutionaries want to “defend and develop Marxist theory as a guide to action,” which is the protests’ real purpose.

Maybe the worse-spent dollar I have ever spent in my life was on a propaganda broadsheet titled “Justice,” which advocates “Struggle, Solidarity, Socialism.” On the front page of the newspaper-like document, beneath the headline “Capitalism: System Failure,” was a tease for a story on the economy and how “influential business economist Nouriel Roubini” recently said how “Karl Marx had it right. At some point, capitalism can destroy itself.”

Yes, the left-leaning Roubini made that fatuous statement, and many similar ones -- so many, in fact, that he has lost much of his credibility in financial circles, though that didn’t quite make it into the “Marx Was Right!” story.

Also absent was any notice of how the much-hated banks benefited not from free-market capitalism, which would have let them fail in 2008, but from crony capitalism that bailed them out. The similar cronyism practiced by Trumka and the Obama administration -- massive spending on useless but politically connected businesses like Solyndra, paired with class-warfare rhetoric -- likewise has very little to do with free markets.

I don’t advise going down to Zuccotti Park to have a serious conversation with the protesters, given their growing propensity toward violence and the growing revolutionary tone of the movement. But I would suggest that President Obama might want to put a hold on his support for the Occupy Wall Street movement as his 2012 re-election bid approaches.

If he keeps saying nice things about the protesters, the debate among business types and voters won’t be whether the president has some socialist leanings, but how much virtue he sees in the thoughts of Karl Marx.

Charles Gasparino is a Fox Business Network senior correspondent.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/new_york_marxist_epicenter_gVrMJIKezP82E3Gkki2IvO#ixzz1b98pHYzc

 

[dante]

At least when you're copy/pasting from BS right-wing websites, you're now giving credit to them instead of trying to pretend that you did all the legwork...

 

[Andyman_1970]

...........#occupywallstreet class warfare crap.

Being our token conservative mouth on the PAWN, I'm curious of your faith leanings. Most of the folks that align themselves with the Tea Party are of the evangelical Christian flavor, as are a good many conservative Republicans (that don't align themselves with the Party). So that's why I ask..............

 

[JohnE]

If its from Faux Noos it must be fair and balanced...

 

[Hello Kitty]

Home foreclosed in 2003? Definitely Bush’s fault.

Once you get your Psych degree you’ll probably be smart enough to figure out what the point is. Butt here’s a little free job advice: it’s easier to land a job without nose balls. Especially if you’re going into foodservice, which you will be with a degree in Psych.

A political science degree? Isn’t that special! And still you can’t figure out why you can’t find a job? Here’s a little hint that might help you out on that 128th job app: spend less time on your demands, more time on how you might be of some use to your potential employer. You know, because they’ll be paying you, not the other way around?

 

[jonKranked]

your just jelly because its not your balls in her nose

 

[Hello Kitty]

Being our token conservative mouth on the PAWN, I'm curious of your faith leanings. Most of the folks that align themselves with the Tea Party are of the evangelical Christian flavor, as are a good many conservative Republicans (that don't align themselves with the Party). So that's why I ask..............

The question isn’t what do I believe in but rather why do you have such a flawed belief system? Liberalism is intellectually dishonest and a false ideology how can anyone subscribe to such illogical aspirations?

Where conservatives have a Judeo-Christian belief system liberals have none because liberalism is your religion. It really boggles one’s mind to think that there are folks in our modern society that have zero core values and can only operate on a emotive level rather than with reason and logic.

Exactly when will you and your ilk grow up?

“Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.” - Francois Guisot

 

[jimmydean]

The question isn’t what do I believe in but rather why do you have such a flawed belief system? Liberalism is intellectually dishonest and a false ideology how can anyone subscribe to such illogical aspirations?

Where conservatives have a Judeo-Christian belief system liberals have none because liberalism is your religion. It really boggles one’s mind to think that there are folks in our modern society that have zero core values and can only operate on a emotive level rather than with reason and logic.

Exactly when will you and your ilk grow up?

“Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.” - Francois Guisot

I was raised Catholic, then I grew up. My core values don't come from works of fiction.

<edit> @ Hello Kitty operating on either reason or logic.

 

[CrabJoe StretchPants]

In my opinion, anyone who believes in any religion after they are old enough to think for themselves is a moron. Anyone who relates religious beliefs to social/political agendas is even more moronic.

There, I said it.

 

[stevew]

The question isn&#8217;t what do I believe in but rather why do you have such a flawed belief system? Liberalism is intellectually dishonest and a false ideology how can anyone subscribe to such illogical aspirations?

Where conservatives have a Judeo-Christian belief system liberals have none because liberalism is your religion. It really boggles one&#8217;s mind to think that there are folks in our modern society that have zero core values and can only operate on a emotive level rather than with reason and logic.

Exactly when will you and your ilk grow up?

&#8220;Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.&#8221; - Francois Guisot

rush limbaugh's sock puppet.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Did he just accuse Andyman of being a godless liberal?

 

[clarkenstein]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Guizot

François Pierre Guillaume Guizot (1787&#8211;1874) was a French historian, orator, and statesman. Guizot was a dominant figure in French politics prior to the Revolution of 1848, a conservative liberal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberal

Conservative liberalism is a variant of liberalism, combining liberal values and policies with conservative stances, or, more simply, representing the right-wing of the liberal movement.

wait a sec, i'm confused, why are you quoting a French liberal for the support of republicans, and that was the republicans of the 1800s, which is not the same thing today.

 

[Hello Kitty]

Anyone who relates religious beliefs to social/political agendas is even more moronic.

There, I said it.

 

[JohnE]

I love how Hello instantly knows what is in our hearts and minds because of a few posts he reads with his Texas ejumakshun. And then lumps everyone who espouses a different opinion then him in together, just like Rush tells him to do.
All Liberals are this, all Conservatives are that. I got news for you Tex, that isnt the way life is. There are those of us who form our own opinions, not influenced by talk radio or Faux Noos. Influenced by what we believe is right...

 

[H8R]

Home foreclosed in 2003? Definitely Bush’s fault.

Actually it was Clinton's.

 

[JohnE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Guizot



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_liberal




wait a sec, i'm confused, why are you quoting a French liberal for the support of republicans, and that was the republicans of the 1800s, which is not the same thing today.

The era of the sound bite. Trying to make himself sound smart and superior. And failing.

 

[Hello Kitty]

wait a sec, i'm confused, why are you quoting a French liberal for the support of republicans, and that was the republicans of the 1800s, which is not the same thing today.

because if i had posted this > If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head! - Sir Winston Churchill < I woulda had all so called intellectuals on here crying foul so I got it from the source.

the meaning is the same Grow Up

 

[jonKranked]

this accurately represents the entire islamic faith, just like westboro baptist accurately represents all of christianity.

 

[Hello Kitty]

Influenced by what we believe is right...

Enlighten me with your philosophy on why exactly conservatism is wrong and how you think you are so much smarter than mouth breathers.

I&#8217;ll heat up some popcorn because this should be a good laugh.

 

[Hello Kitty]

this accurately represents the entire islamic faith, just like westboro baptist accurately represents all of christianity.

didn't say anything just posted a photo in response to a post you once again ASSUMED.

 

[H8R]

because if i had posted this > If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head! - Sir Winston Churchill < I woulda had all so called intellectuals on here crying foul so I got it from the source.

the meaning is the same Grow Up

You're fvcking boring.

 

[Hello Kitty]

You're fvcking boring.

The best part about you is that you're both foolish and grotesquely disgusting. That's probably why nobody likes you

 

[Andyman_1970]

The question isn&#8217;t what do I believe in but rather why do you have such a flawed belief system? Liberalism is intellectually dishonest and a false ideology how can anyone subscribe to such illogical aspirations?

Ok first you didn&#8217;t answer my question. Second you made a GROSS assumption as to my belief system. It&#8217;s quite apparent you:

a) made no effort to answer my question.
b) made no effort to understand the person asking the question.

Where conservatives have a Judeo-Christian belief system liberals have none because liberalism is your religion.

Again, gross inaccurate assumption on your part.

It really boggles one&#8217;s mind to think that there are folks in our modern society that have zero core values and can only operate on a emotive level rather than with reason and logic.

My &#8220;core values&#8221; come from the teachings of Jesus, just an FYI for you, not on some emotive level.

So again I pose the same question to you I posed originally&#8230;&#8230;..

Exactly when will you and your ilk grow up?

Seeing how non existent your rational discussion skills are, one might very well ask you the same question.

 

[Pesqueeb]

because if i had posted this > If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no head! - Sir Winston Churchill < I woulda had all so called intellectuals on here crying foul so I got it from the source.

the meaning is the same Grow Up

Except he never actually said that. It's a quote often mistakenly applied to him by people such as yourself who never bother to let FACT get in the way of good old fashioned demagoguery.

 

[Andyman_1970]

Enlighten me with your philosophy on why exactly conservatism is wrong&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;

I&#8217;ll jump in here and give you my examples:

For example, the Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman hold various beliefs they believe are &#8220;Christian&#8221; and those beliefs influence their mindset when it comes to how they do/would govern and their politics.

Both, on various levels believe the United States should be a theocracy and governed by the &#8220;standards&#8221; of the Bible. What&#8217;s &#8220;wrong&#8221; with this (as you stated above) is that Jesus specifically teaches against His followers NOT to pursue that kind of power. Bachman subscribes to the &#8220;Dominion Theory&#8221; which essentially teaches that Christians are suppose to dominate the world&#8230;&#8230;.only Jesus never taught that.

Rick Perry certainly espouses the death penalty, and yet is &#8220;pro life&#8221; when it comes to abortion (as most Christians are). The problem is from a Biblical perspective (for a Christian) it&#8217;s not an option to be &#8220;pro life&#8221; for one group of people and &#8220;pro death&#8221; for another. That death thing and vengeance is God&#8217;s job, if one were to go by the Scriptures.

The Bible, and Jesus speak of &#8220;wealth redistribution&#8221; and &#8220;distributive justice&#8221; as being good things&#8230;..comments that would make most conservative yell &#8220;SOCIALIST!!!&#8221; The problem is it&#8217;s taught in the Scriptures that the &#8220;Kingdom of God&#8221; will be a reality when people do those kinds of actions.

Those are a couple of my examples of the ideological disconnect that I&#8217;ve noticed conservatives have with respect to the Christian faith and their politics.

 

[Pesqueeb]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Rep given

 

[KavuRider]

^^^^^^^^^^^
Rep given

Same here, great response Andyman!

 

[Hello Kitty]

Ok first you didn&#8217;t answer my question.

What does it matter what I believe in God, Jesus, Buddha, Allah or FSM the point is that I don&#8217;t use religion to form a basis of opinion politically or moral based, and to answer your question me being baptized as a Methodist in 72&#8217; and only attending church for Easter and Christmas and sparingly when the grandparents were in town (Sunday service cut into tee times at the local country club). I&#8217;ve not been in a church other than my sister&#8217;s wedding in 97&#8217; so I&#8217;m about as agnostic as one can get and so is my wife.

You trying to lump Christians into a neat little basket isn&#8217;t working because there are as many rabid southern black Baptist churches and Catholic masses chock full of democrats and liberals as there are Pentecostals and Lutherans full of conservatives.

 

[Hello Kitty]

Except he never actually said that. It's a quote often mistakenly applied to him by people such as yourself who never bother to let FACT get in the way of good old fashioned demagoguery.

It's laborious to visualize someone with more problems than you.

 

[Hello Kitty]

The Bible, and Jesus speak of &#8220;wealth redistribution&#8221; and &#8220;distributive justice&#8221; as being good things&#8230;..comments that would make most conservative yell &#8220;SOCIALIST!!!&#8221; The problem is it&#8217;s taught in the Scriptures that the &#8220;Kingdom of God&#8221; will be a reality when people do those kinds of actions.

isn't that the great thing about charity that you can CHOOSE to whom you want to share your blessing with rather than the government taking it away and redistribute as it sees fit.

 

[rockofullr]

This guy is awesome.

The question isn&#8217;t what do I believe in but rather why do you have such a flawed belief system? Liberalism is intellectually dishonest and a false ideology how can anyone subscribe to such illogical aspirations?

Where conservatives have a Judeo-Christian belief system liberals have none because liberalism is your religion. It really boggles one&#8217;s mind to think that there are folks in our modern society that have zero core values and can only operate on a emotive level rather than with reason and logic.

Exactly when will you and your ilk grow up?

&#8220;Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.&#8221; - Francois Guisot

What does it matter what I believe in God, Jesus, Buddha, Allah or FSM the point is that I don&#8217;t use religion to form a basis of opinion politically or moral based, and to answer your question me being baptized as a Methodist in 72&#8217; and only attending church for Easter and Christmas and sparingly when the grandparents were in town (Sunday service cut into tee times at the local country club). I&#8217;ve not been in a church other than my sister&#8217;s wedding in 97&#8217; so I&#8217;m about as agnostic as one can get and so is my wife.

You trying to lump Christians into a neat little basket isn&#8217;t working because there are as many rabid southern black Baptist churches and Catholic masses chock full of democrats and liberals as there are Pentecostals and Lutherans full of conservatives.

If we all leave this thread will you start arguing with yourself?

 

[Andyman_1970]

What does it matter what I believe in God, Jesus, Buddha, Allah or FSM the point is that I don&#8217;t use religion to form a basis of opinion politically or moral based, and to answer your question me being baptized as a Methodist in 72&#8217; and only attending church for Easter and Christmas and sparingly when the grandparents were in town (Sunday service cut into tee times at the local country club). I&#8217;ve not been in a church other than my sister&#8217;s wedding in 97&#8217; so I&#8217;m about as agnostic as one can get and so is my wife.

First, I was curious, as I stated earlier there is a connection between certain strands of Christianity and certain conservative political leanings. What you believe is between you and your God, Jesus, Budda, Allah, FSM&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;good for you.

You trying to lump Christians into a neat little basket isn&#8217;t working because there are as many rabid southern black Baptist churches and Catholic masses chock full of democrats and liberals as there are Pentecostals and Lutherans full of conservatives.

Well my &#8220;lumping&#8221; comes from being actively involved in many Christian communities continuously since 1996, so I&#8217;ve got a pretty wide ranging sample base to take my conclusions from.

Lutherans conservative, really?

You&#8217;re run of the mill white Southern Baptist / Evangelical (with a very few exceptions) march in lock step with conservative political views and make up a large part of the Tea Party.

 

[Hello Kitty]

You&#8217;re run of the mill white Southern Baptist / Evangelical (with a very few exceptions) march in lock step with conservative political views and make up a large part of the Tea Party.

Have you ever attended a Tea Party rally did you take a poll of the religious beliefs or you just making **** up?

 

[Andyman_1970]

isn't that the great thing about charity that you can CHOOSE to whom you want to share your blessing with rather than the government taking it away and redistribute as it sees fit.

But as the Tea Party insists, and several GOP canidates insist the US a "Christian Nation", "One Nation under God"? If that's the case (in their minds) why are they uncomfortable with concepts like redistributing wealth as Jesus taught? Or the concept of the year of the Jubilee where debts are forgiven? If it's a "Christian Nation" as they espouse, and their self admitted purpose is to bring "God" back to the White House, why are they uncomfortable with the gov't doing that? Is their purpose not to create at Bible based Christian nation?

One other example (ref my earlier post): the year of the Jubilee in the Torah was a concept God created to keep the rich from getting too rich and the poor from getting too poor. That very concept in itself makes conservative politically active Christians uncomfortable..........and yet God commanded it Himself. This is more of the idealogical disconnet I find with conservative Christians who are politically active.

 

[Hello Kitty]

But as the Tea Party insists, and several GOP canidates insist the US a "Christian Nation", "One Nation under God"?

Could you please provide some proof of the Tea Party espousing this because it's the first time i've EVER heard of this nonsense.

It's is nowhere in the suff I have http://www.teaparty-platform.com/

 

[Andyman_1970]

Have you ever attended a Tea Party rally did you take a poll of the religious beliefs or you just making **** up?

I saw your "brofessor post"...........nice..........

A) I know this anecdotally because I am involved in various Christian communities (unlike yourself as you admitted). I have MANY conservative Christian friends who are self identified as being a part of the Tea Party.

B)So you're telling me Rick Perry, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman don't accurately represent the Tea Party movement?

A quick few of samples I've found:

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/politics/2010/October/Study-Tea-Party-Christian-Conservatives-Have-Strong-Ties/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/is-the-tea-party-a-religious-movement-anthem-invokes-god-judgment-day/

http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-los-angeles/afa-spokesman-says-the-tea-party-ended-slavery-america

 

[Andyman_1970]

Could you please provide some proof of the Tea Party espousing this because it's the first time i've EVER heard of this nonsense.

It's is nowhere in the suff I have http://www.teaparty-platform.com/

Have you listened to Sarah Palin, Michelle or Rick?

 

[JohnE]

Hmmm...

Conservative, from Thesarus .com...controlled, conventional, die-hard, fearful, firm, fogyish, fuddy-duddy, guarded, hard hat, hidebound, holding to, illiberal, in a rut, inflexible, middle-of-the-road, not extreme, obstinate, old guard, old line, orthodox...reactionary, redneck, right, right of center, right-wing, sober, stable, steady, timid, traditional, traditionalistic, unchangeable, unchanging, uncreative, undaring, unimaginative, unprogressive, white bread...

Liberal, from same...advanced, avant-garde, broad, broad-minded...enlightened, flexible, free, general, high-minded, humanistic, humanitarian, indulgent, intelligent, interested...left, lenient, libertarian, loose, magnanimous, permissive, radical, rational, reasonable, receiving, receptive, reformist, tolerant, unbiased, unbigoted, unconventional, understanding, unorthodox, unprejudiced...

Go back to the Kuntry Klub Kitty...

 

[Andyman_1970]

Some more:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34291.html

Another idealogical disconnect, the environment. The Bible teaches the earth is a gift to be taken care of, used, but used respectfully. The culture that wrote the Scriptures understood that all of creation reflects the character of the Creator and to misuse it is to be disrespectful to the Creator. The concept of the "rapture" (Bachman is a HUGE fan of this) and that the earth will be burned up and all Christians go somewhere else for eternity is not found in the Bible. If you're not staying here, why take care of the place?

I know you don't hold these beliefs Kitty, but vast numbers of those who have conservative leanings do, and it fundamentally influences their polticial thinking / direction.

 

[Hello Kitty]

Have you listened to Sarah Palin, Michelle or Rick?

Rick Perry isn't a tea party Candidate PERIOD

Second Palin isn&#8217;t running for anything PERIOD

Third Bachman is a candidate with folks from the tea party backing her so is Herman Cain so what?

What exactly is your personal beef with Christian conservative&#8217;s tea party or not? I mean did you ever see or hear the crap that came outta the mouth of jeremiah wright who is Obama pastor and why are you are having issues with the tea party&#8217;s religious views?

Give me a break!