I called out a couple riding on a trail here yesterday. When the passed I said (audiably) “looks like you aren’t even working hard”. To which they said “wha?”, I’m sure they heard me, but then they shut up.
This is what's wrong with The Industry™
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Really? Damn, that's depressing. It certainly didn't used to be like that.
I can only assume that he meant it as a good thing. As in the trails are not made easy or zomg flowy just because it’s a bike trail.
keep up the good work.I keep it simple I just yell
BOOOOOOOOO EBIKES
I've had a few get pretty butt hurt
Ahahaha
But hurt? why? I'd laughI keep it simple I just yell
BOOOOOOOOO EBIKES
I've had a few get pretty butt hurt
yeah-i meant rough, rocky, rooty trails not built for biking but now ridden on. the worst ones out there are the ones that they’ve tried to “fix” in recent years.
BOOOOO EBIKES!!!!
only till they run out of battery. Then they are just a 40lb wagon you gotta push home
How fucking weak are you?BOOOOO EBIKES!!!!
only till they run out of battery. Then they are just a 40lb wagon you gotta push home
Have you though about buying an E-bike to help with that?
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How not to do PR in the industry.
The ever/over enthusiastic and cheerful Single Track Sampler broke a carbon Spot (rental) in Moab and broke the plastic handlebar as well. He had a few minor injuries. However, someone from Spot decided to post the following in the comment section below:
"Andrew Lumpkin from Spot here.
First of all, we’re grateful that Alex is okay. Rider safety is our utmost concern and whenever anyone crashes, regardless of cause, it makes us all pause and hope that the rider is healthy.
Regarding the break, we are currently investigating all possibilities of causality, which are manifold. We became aware of the situation on the same day of the crash. We take these situations extremely seriously so we called Alex and Steve immediately, even though we were very busy at Sea Otter. Alex gave us limited information so that he could protect his story and his sensational reveal.
All of our bikes are tested to exceed ISO standards, EN standards and, in addition, meet our stringent in-house standards. Relating to this break, we test our frames to failure in a machine that puts over 3,000 lbf vertical force through the bottom bracket while allowing the axles to move in any direction—it’s designed to replicate the worst-case huck-to-flat scenario. In addition to testing all of our frames to optimize structure, and ultimately, failure mode, we test many competitors’ frames in the same ASTM intended use levels to ensure that we exceed their results. Yes, we buy premium carbon frames (many brands mentioned in this thread) at retail and destroy them to study the results and better our frames. It’s an expensive exercise that is well worth the cost.
In our initial analysis, one issue is apparent—the shock was grossly under-pressured and the compression under-damped. It should have had approximately 60psi (33%) more pressure in the shock! Although it had been reported that he hadn’t been bottoming out, many frames in the footage show that the o-ring was off or at least at the end of its travel. Only yesterday were we privy to this additional evidence. It’s up to the rider to notice and remedy such a setup issue. Alex’s intuition was that something was wrong, but he continued to send it.
The purpose of a spring-damper unit is to absorb the energy from the trail or the rider when riding in uneven terrain. If the spring-damper unit is under-inflated and under-damped, it prevents the spring damper unit from absorbing enough of the energy to protect the frame. With this inadequate setup/trail conditions, if you repeatedly deliver a high spike load to the frame, it will likely fail. We hereby explicitly state that if you ride any of our bikes with such inadequate setup, sooner or later expect the same result. Ask any other manufacturer/expert in the field, and they will tell you EXACTLY THE SAME THING. If the frame is not protected from severe bottom-out events, all bets are off—THE FRAME WILL FAIL EVENTUALLY. Have we had a few broken frames since we started selling them two years ago? Of course. Who hasn’t? There’s nothing new here; this is basic physics. There is nothing inferior about our frames.
Then there’s the next factor: the [at least] three crashes on rocky terrain. As we all learned with the famous Minnaar crash last year, crazy things happen in crashes, even to downhill bikes. To define this bike as brand new is misleading due to these crashes and entirely inadequate air pressure and damping setup with the severe riding conditions.
Riding aggressive trails aggressively requires suspension adjustments to protect yourself and your equipment. One very important lesson that’s apparent is to always inspect your bike (frame and components) thoroughly, especially when you suspect that something is wrong. This final crash was avoidable. Again, we are extremely grateful that Alex is okay. We will report back when our investigation is complete.
-Andrew"
The ever/over enthusiastic and cheerful Single Track Sampler broke a carbon Spot (rental) in Moab and broke the plastic handlebar as well. He had a few minor injuries. However, someone from Spot decided to post the following in the comment section below:
"Andrew Lumpkin from Spot here.
First of all, we’re grateful that Alex is okay. Rider safety is our utmost concern and whenever anyone crashes, regardless of cause, it makes us all pause and hope that the rider is healthy.
Regarding the break, we are currently investigating all possibilities of causality, which are manifold. We became aware of the situation on the same day of the crash. We take these situations extremely seriously so we called Alex and Steve immediately, even though we were very busy at Sea Otter. Alex gave us limited information so that he could protect his story and his sensational reveal.
All of our bikes are tested to exceed ISO standards, EN standards and, in addition, meet our stringent in-house standards. Relating to this break, we test our frames to failure in a machine that puts over 3,000 lbf vertical force through the bottom bracket while allowing the axles to move in any direction—it’s designed to replicate the worst-case huck-to-flat scenario. In addition to testing all of our frames to optimize structure, and ultimately, failure mode, we test many competitors’ frames in the same ASTM intended use levels to ensure that we exceed their results. Yes, we buy premium carbon frames (many brands mentioned in this thread) at retail and destroy them to study the results and better our frames. It’s an expensive exercise that is well worth the cost.
In our initial analysis, one issue is apparent—the shock was grossly under-pressured and the compression under-damped. It should have had approximately 60psi (33%) more pressure in the shock! Although it had been reported that he hadn’t been bottoming out, many frames in the footage show that the o-ring was off or at least at the end of its travel. Only yesterday were we privy to this additional evidence. It’s up to the rider to notice and remedy such a setup issue. Alex’s intuition was that something was wrong, but he continued to send it.
The purpose of a spring-damper unit is to absorb the energy from the trail or the rider when riding in uneven terrain. If the spring-damper unit is under-inflated and under-damped, it prevents the spring damper unit from absorbing enough of the energy to protect the frame. With this inadequate setup/trail conditions, if you repeatedly deliver a high spike load to the frame, it will likely fail. We hereby explicitly state that if you ride any of our bikes with such inadequate setup, sooner or later expect the same result. Ask any other manufacturer/expert in the field, and they will tell you EXACTLY THE SAME THING. If the frame is not protected from severe bottom-out events, all bets are off—THE FRAME WILL FAIL EVENTUALLY. Have we had a few broken frames since we started selling them two years ago? Of course. Who hasn’t? There’s nothing new here; this is basic physics. There is nothing inferior about our frames.
Then there’s the next factor: the [at least] three crashes on rocky terrain. As we all learned with the famous Minnaar crash last year, crazy things happen in crashes, even to downhill bikes. To define this bike as brand new is misleading due to these crashes and entirely inadequate air pressure and damping setup with the severe riding conditions.
Riding aggressive trails aggressively requires suspension adjustments to protect yourself and your equipment. One very important lesson that’s apparent is to always inspect your bike (frame and components) thoroughly, especially when you suspect that something is wrong. This final crash was avoidable. Again, we are extremely grateful that Alex is okay. We will report back when our investigation is complete.
-Andrew"
Say what you will about Spot and crab0n bikes, but I've got a new term to enjoy: Category 5 mountain bikes.
In fact, I should start a new bike company called "Category 5".
Obviously the DH model will be "The Hurricane" and the e-duro bike will be "The Gary". I look forward to molting my skin and developing a taste for live rodents.
In fact, I should start a new bike company called "Category 5".
Obviously the DH model will be "The Hurricane" and the e-duro bike will be "The Gary". I look forward to molting my skin and developing a taste for live rodents.
I watched 30 seconds of that and I fucking hate that guy.
On the plus side, I've always said that stupidity should hurt.
So...........
Also, dear andrew from spot: MANY FOLD
Can we talk about how annoying that guy is?
What's the time stamp of the crash? I need to sample it and put it on a loop.
What's the time stamp of the crash? I need to sample it and put it on a loop.
his excessive but well groomed facial hair is indicative of any of the following:
-hipster
-vegan
-fixie or penny farthing enthusiast
-beer snob
-closet e-bike fanatic
-lizard
-mtbr regular
-trustafarian
-considered buying an ellesworth
I guess he is also a flaming Christian.I watched 30 seconds of that and I fucking hate that guy.
On the plus side, I've always said that stupidity should hurt.
So...........
Also, dear andrew from spot: MANY FOLD
thank god this site doesn't autoplay youtube videos. who can I pay to ensure I never see an "Alex" / Singletrack Sampler vid?
a mobster or a crackhead
I suppose I don't like energy bunny type youtubers very much and they get on your nerves after a while (Live free! Ride hard! Get stoked!). I prefer Phil Kmetz or Seth. But I wish them well in their ventures.
he's the kind of guy who if he was part of a group ride i'd have to quietly pedal away from and avoid entirely before my entire day was ruined.
he's also the personality that keeps me riding solo 90% of the time, just in case.
The fool runs 200% sag. I don't think it would take very long to get away
Hahaha FPMSL man. Cheers! I owe you a beer.
Aren't they all just the same person with different stick on beards?. I like the one with the big lips on it best. He talks a lot of shite when wearing that one but somehow can actually ride a little better.
Thanks man. Rep deserved. You just saved me from watching that vid up there to find out what you guys were laughing at!I got your back.
I would like to be present for this beer exchangeHahaha FPMSL man. Cheers! I owe you a beer.
The only YourTub bike riders worth a fuck are the Trail Peak homies. They just ride their bikes and don't say much other than "YEEEEW!!!". Most importantly, they send it pretty fucking hard.
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